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Old 03-02-2012, 12:29 AM   #466
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Kobe's Regular Season PER > Larry Bird's
Kobe's Playoff PER > Larry Bird's

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Larry Bird played with McHale, Parish and DJ not to mention Maxwell and Tiny...Its hard to have a High PER playing with those monsters. More than 2 All Stars lowers your PER. Still he faces better competition than what Kobe has faced with his 2 Twin Towers and Odom: Best 6th man

Lets say both where in weaker teams, who would maker others better? Bird or Bryant?

An Inefficient Scorer vs a Man that was almost a Triple Double Machine?

Bird > Bryant

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Old 03-02-2012, 12:31 AM   #467
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According to Round Mound's stats:

Charles Barkley and David Robinson are in the Top 10 and Bill Russell isn't. Russell is somewhere Top 10-15 range for Center's too...

Yeah, what a great stat.
I don't use PER anymore (Its not consistent and kind of arbitrary) but Russels PER would be a fair deal higher if blocks were recorded when he played.
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Old 03-02-2012, 12:35 AM   #468
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I don't use PER anymore (Its not consistent and kind of arbitrary) but Russels PER would be a fair deal higher if blocks were recorded when he played.

Rusell was a Great Rebounder and Defender, so was Rodman and?...He was a Bad Offensive Player. Just look at his FG% and even Red himself mentioned he wasn`t brought to the Celtics for his Offense.

Other Greats Could do More Things than Just Offense and Defense but could Create for Themselves.
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Old 03-02-2012, 12:38 AM   #469
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Larry Bird played with McHale, Parish and DJ not to mention Maxwell and Tiny...Its hard to have a High PER playing with those monsters. More than 2 All Stars lowers your PER. Still he faces better competition than what Kobe has faced with his 2 Twin Towers and Odom: Best 6th man

Lets say both where in weaker teams, who would maker others better? Bird or Bryant?

An Inefficient Scorer vs a Man that was almost a Triple Double Machine?

Bird > Bryant
Kobe's PER is higher. Be consistent

And you're saying that Bird had a stacked team. What about Kobe? I guess that means he has 5 championships with less help than Bird?
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Old 03-02-2012, 12:46 AM   #470
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I don't use PER anymore (Its not consistent and kind of arbitrary) but Russels PER would be a fair deal higher if blocks were recorded when he played.

That's the thing too... not all the numbers were available back then.

How much more higher could some of the PER's be if they did include blocks, steals, and what about the addition of the 3 point line.

And if were talking about Russell, he's player's impact that goes byeond a stat sheet. I know you might not be in agreement with me there, but that's type of player Russell was touted as...

He also didn't care much about his stats, rather winning.
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Old 03-02-2012, 12:55 AM   #471
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Default Re: Kobe Bryant IS the most overrated NBA player of all time, here's why...

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Kobe's PER is higher. Be consistent

And you're saying that Bird had a stacked team. What about Kobe? I guess that means he has 5 championships with less help than Bird?

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Old 03-02-2012, 01:01 AM   #472
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Larry Bird played with McHale, Parish and DJ not to mention Maxwell and Tiny...Its hard to have a High PER playing with those monsters. More than 2 All Stars lowers your PER. Still he faces better competition than what Kobe has faced with his 2 Twin Towers and Odom: Best 6th man

Lets say both where in weaker teams, who would maker others better? Bird or Bryant?

An Inefficient Scorer vs a Man that was almost a Triple Double Machine?

Bird > Bryant
LOL Kobe had a higher PER because he didn't have to share the load with great teammates but he was carried to rings on stacked teams.

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Old 03-02-2012, 01:04 AM   #473
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kobe > bird
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Old 03-02-2012, 01:04 AM   #474
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LOL Kobe had a higher PER because he didn't have to share the load with great teammates but he was carried to rings on stacked teams.

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Old 03-02-2012, 01:41 AM   #475
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LOL Kobe had a higher PER because he didn't have to share the load with great teammates but he was carried to rings on stacked teams.


Yeah, that's one of the bigger myths about Kobe.

Apparently, Kobe's always on those "stacked" teams.
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Old 03-02-2012, 01:44 AM   #476
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