is lebron the greatest forward of all time? - bill and jalen talk

[Keno]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgUzkGBkRdc

bill is dropping that ether right from the start of the video. everyone knows bill is a celtics fan and loves larry bird. jalen is looking salty as hell in this video tho. some quotes for people who don't want to watch:

"he's won more mvps than bird, he's been much more durable than bird, he's a better two-way player than bird, his stats are a little better than birds"

"let's say lebron wins the title (this year), he is now one of the top 5 greatest players of all time if that happens, even i have to admit that. i also think he would pass magic" (different subject)

bill's top 6: jordan, russell, kareem, magic, bird, wilt. "if lebron wins his 3rd title he climbs dead even with magic, and slightly ahead of bird"

the kobe part was hilarious tho, jalen gave an honorable mention to kobe and bill ended that argument quickly by saying "one mvp his whole career, first 3 titles shaq was the best player on the team" lmao.

[IncarceratedBob]

Bird and Duncan are still clearly ahead

[russwest0]

bill simmons

[Keno]

bill simmons

you mean the bill simmons that knows more about the nba/nba history than your entire family tree combined? please, do continue.

[riseagainst]

yes. Kobe Bryant is not in the same class as Lebron, who is in the same class as Bird. But Bird is still better than Lebron.

[navy]

Lebron needs 5 titles to pass Duncan.

He needs 3-4 titles and to retire to pass Bird as he as pretty much surpassed his career totals already. Which is weird because Bird is higher then Duncan on most all time list.

[russwest0]

you mean the bill simmons that knows more about the nba/nba history than your entire family tree combined? please, do continue.

Ah yes, the same Bill Simmons who has been prediciting OKC to be a 4th-6th seed in the regular season for two years now.



Surely this guy is a great basketball mind.

[rmt]

Only player who would match up with his accomplishments and dominance if he wins this year is Duncan. It would be one hell of a debate.

So you think that 4 MVPs, 2 rings, 2 FMVPs is a debate vs 2 MVPs, 5 rings and 3 (or possibly 4) FMVPs.

[riseagainst]

So you think that 4 MVPs, 2 rings, 2 FMVPs is a debate vs 2 MVPs, 5 rings and 3 (or possibly 4) FMVPs.

how is that not a debate? Those are very close accomplishments. Aside from the rings, which are team accomplishments.

4 mvps to 2 mvps
2 fmvps to 3 fmvps

[J Shuttlesworth]

So you think that 4 MVPs, 2 rings, 2 FMVPs is a debate vs 2 MVPs, 5 rings and 3 (or possibly 4) FMVPs.

He's saying if LeBron wins this year, the only player in the league to match his accomplishments would be Duncan.

4 FMVPs, 3 rings, 3 FMVPs vs. 2 MVPS, 4 rings, 3 FMVPs

Edit at least that's what I thought he meant

[Keno]

Ah yes, the same Bill Simmons who has been prediciting OKC to be a 4th-6th seed in the regular season for two years now.



Surely this guy is a great basketball mind.

it wasn't 6th seed, they ranked okc as the 6th best team in the entire league. which is reasonable.

[TheReal Kendall]

"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation." - Oscar Wilde

[riseagainst]

"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation." - Oscar Wilde

"Patriotism is a virtue of the vicious."

[Solefade]

Lebron needs 5 titles to pass Duncan.

He needs 3-4 titles and to retire to pass Bird as he as pretty much surpassed his career totals already. Which is weird because Bird is higher then Duncan on most all time list.

why does lebron need 5 titles? lebron w/ 3 titles and another MVP is enough to pass duncan as is...just IMO though

[navy]

why does lebron need 5 titles? lebron w/ 3 titles and another MVP is enough to pass duncan as is...just IMO though

Nope. 4 titles at the least.