So tired of the Bron doesn't have help narrative

[sundizz]

Lebron does not have amazing players around him but people out here are throwing these other players under the bus like they are not NBA players that can dribble, pass, shoot, drive, etc.

It is 100% Lebron's fault that his teammates do not do better. Anyone that knows basketball knows the "ball has energy" and when multiple people get to touch it and be involved in an offense there is a certain flow to it that allows everyone, from star to role players, making more of their shots.

Lebron's problem is that he is not predictable like a Kobe, or Barbosa. As a teammates of his you are left guessing what he is going to do on any given play. He tries to game manage out there instead of being a straight wrecking ball.

If the Cavs started: Delly, Shump, Jones, Bron and TT they should be able to play offense pretty damn well. Bring JR, Moz and Miller off the bench for spurts. This would be contingent on Bron being coachable and acting like his size and playing a true pf role. He needs to stop bringing the ball up etc and just be like Malone. Take off full speed, position himself in the key and demand post ups. Let Delly and Iman bring the ball up (aka Derek Fisher).

From a deeper post position he could either abuse players, get offensive rebounds, or be the best passing pf the game has ever seen. If he played a true post and their offense had some flash cuts, off the ball screens, etc it would be so much more fluid. Right now it is so easy to goad Bron into taking low percentage shots. Him driving from the top of the key all the way to the rim is such a terrible idea in general. It stops any flow of offense.

It really is Bron stubborness to let a coach use him the way that would benefit him/the team best against good teams is his biggest flaw. His stats would go wayyyyyy down but his team would play so much better. He has always had coaches that let him do his ball dominant, game dominant style because he has played in the East and honestly he is good enough (top 10 ever) to win using that awful style against any non great team.

As someone that understands basketball it is both so awesome (since I'm a Dubs fans) and frustrating (as a basketball fan) to watch. He is one of the players I've never seen actually coached into playing outside of his comfort zone. No matter what a coach starts the season with, it always always always ends in this. It is the "regular season" curse. In the reg season this method gets W after W cuz of Bron's greatness.

To act like Shump, TT, Moz and James Jones couldn't do more is an insult to them as basketball players. If you (the team) doesn't get the opportunity to do it consistently all year it won't show up when the struggle is real.

The "Bron" effect on non-ball dominant players:

Chris Bosh
(Tor): 24 ppg, 11 rpg and 2.5 apg, 52%
(Mia): 19 ppg, 8 rpg and 2 apg, 50%

Kevin Love
(Min): 26 ppg, 12.5 rpg, 4.5 apg, 46%
(Cle): 16.4 ppg, 10 rpg, 2 apg, 40%

The stylistic way he plays the game reduces any non ball dominant player into significantly worse versions of themselves. That is why only Kyrie and Wade are able to handle playing with him. Most other NBA players depend on movement and a multiple pass offense to get points within a system. In the Bron system is literally becomes stand around and swing it. It is never predicated on complex stuff like cuts, off the ball screens, flashes to the middle, etc.

There is a reason Curry looks so good on offense. He is able to be an offensive juggernaut without needing the ball in his hand a lot. All other players, Barnes, Green, Iggy etc benefit a lot from this because they are allowed/demanded to do more offensively. Their natural ability is allowed to shine through. Kerr does not an excellent job of letting them play as well. Most coaches have way too short of a leash and don't let good players find their groove. As we've seen with TT, all he needed was time.

[warriorfan]

Agreed, well said.

[konex]

The funny thing to me is that when they play well, it's ALL LeBron's doing but they are bums when they don't

[coin24]

The funny thing to me is that when they play well, it's ALL LeBron's doing but they are bums when they don't

[DaSeba5]

You aren't wrong, but it has a proven history of success so coaches are going to let him do what he wants. He's been to 5 straight Finals. This type of play has dominated the East. However, it gets exposed in the Finals.

[Rocketswin2013]

Contrarians are just the worst.

[J Shuttlesworth]

[Straight_Ballin]

He basically shot the cavs into a loss and exposed himself in not being conditioned enough to play the type of ball that he's trying to play. This guy isn't AI so he needs to stop thinking that he has unlimited energy.

[sundizz]

Such a cringe worthy way to rebut this You are going to blame his teammates for having Stockholm Syndrome? They have been conditioned all year to play a certain way and in the few moments they are without him they are of course going to be awful.

In the game of pimpin this is called keeping her in check. It's not that she loves you - she needs you.

[navy]

Why would you post someone's first option stats and then their third option stats as if they are the same situation? That makes no sense.

When Wade sat, Bosh returned right back into a 20 point scorer.

That's just basketball.

[navy]

Such a cringe worthy way to rebut this You are going to blame his teammates for having Stockholm Syndrome? They have been conditioned all year to play a certain way and in the few moments they are without him they are of course going to be awful.

In the game of pimpin this is called keeping her in check. It's not that she loves you - she needs you.

Actually, they did well without Lebron in the last two series they played.

Also, it's crazy to think this Cavs team would be anywhere without Lebron. Delly is the starting point guard and he is incapable of bringing the ball up under pressure. Shumpert doesnt have a good enough handle. And that leaves Jr Smith.

The Cav are two games from winning the nba finals after losing 3 starters. (1 game from losing) They are fine.

[Ai2death]

Why would you post someone's first option stats and then their third option stats as if they are the same situation? That makes no sense.

When Wade sat, Bosh returned right back into a 20 point scorer.

That's just basketball.

Exact same stat all you Bron stans bring up to make the player in question look bad.

Hypocrite much?

[6 for 24]

The fact is that LeBron has simply been blessed "superteams" his entire career. A good way to judge a player's worth is how the team does before and after the trades. For example, we know that the great Michael Jordan was worth "+2" to the Bulls since they won 2 fewer games when he sat out due to his gambling/murder issues. So what about LeBron? Well, I can say with great confidence that the Cavs won 66 games just a few short years ago. Then LeBron greedily jumped onto this same team and they only won 53 games this year! From this, we can conclude that the so-called "King" is actually a "-13".

People may lie, but the math never does.

Warmest regards,

Ayotunde Ndiaye

[Rocketswin2013]

This forum has so many ****ing stupid people.

[E_Stamkos]

I'm just tired of Bran period.