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Lebron played with 3 different guys who won titles as the man
Lebron played on team where guys won titles as the man. He played with Ben Wallace who was the only allstar on a team that won it all and then lost to Dwight Howard with that player. He played with Shaq who has 3 finals mvp's (including winning with Kobe and Wade but only round 2 with Lebron) and he played with Wade who has a finals mvp. In fact Lebron played with all of them when they had all won already and Lebron hadn't won jack. He also has been down in a series every year of his career at least 3-2 in a series.
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College superstar
Re: Lebron played with 3 different guys who won titles as the man
Originally Posted by Duncan21formvp
Lebron played on team where guys won titles as the man. He played with Ben Wallace who was the only allstar on a team that won it all and then lost to Dwight Howard with that player. He played with Shaq who has 3 finals mvp's (including winning with Kobe and Wade but only round 2 with Lebron) and he played with Wade who has a finals mvp. In fact Lebron played with all of them when they had all won already and Lebron hadn't won jack. He also has been down in a series every year of his career at least 3-2 in a series.
Was worse is how many times his counterpart won finals mvp. Cringe.
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I don't flop.
Re: Lebron played with 3 different guys who won titles as the man
All that help for so many years and he's still going to go down in history as a modern day Jerry West;
The guy that kept losing.
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National High School Star
Re: Lebron played with 3 different guys who won titles as the man
Great thread. How did LeBron not go all the way with former all star and champion Ben Wallace giving him 3ppg in the playoffs.
I just checked the stats and there was even a game where he put up 5 points AND 5 boards. And even with this monster performance, LeBron still couldn't get the win. In the first round, no less!!
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I go HAM
Re: Lebron played with 3 different guys who won titles as the man
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Local High School Star
Re: Lebron played with 3 different guys who won titles as the man
Originally Posted by AussieSteve
Great thread. How did LeBron not go all the way with former all star and champion Ben Wallace giving him 3ppg in the playoffs.
I just checked the stats and there was even a game where he put up 5 points AND 5 boards. And even with this monster perfoance, LeBron still couldn't get the win. In the first round, no less!!
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Bran Fam Member
Re: Lebron played with 3 different guys who won titles as the man
Originally Posted by AussieSteve
Great thread. How did LeBron not go all the way with former all star and champion Ben Wallace giving him 3ppg in the playoffs.
I just checked the stats and there was even a game where he put up 5 points AND 5 boards. And even with this monster performance, LeBron still couldn't get the win. In the first round, no less!!
Ben Wallace was their 3rd fcking big in rotation, that's how stacked their frontcourt was. Lebron lost to Dwight Howard in 6 games with his 2nd option averaging 18 ppg while Kobe beat the same team with their 2nd all-star returning for the series in just 5.
Lebron's 2nd and 3rd option vs Magic - 32.7 ppg
Kobe's 2nd & 3rd option vs Magic - 32.0 ppg
Lebron had no help though
How does he lose an elimination game, where Mo, Delonte and Andy V go for a 53 pts on 22/43 shooting? How you the GOAT and lose to Dwight Howard like that?
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NBA Legend
Re: Lebron played with 3 different guys who won titles as the man
Originally Posted by ImKobe
Ben Wallace was their 3rd fcking big in rotation, that's how stacked their frontcourt was. Lebron lost to Dwight Howard in 6 games with his 2nd option averaging 18 ppg while Kobe beat the same team with their 2nd all-star returning for the series in just 5.
Lebron's 2nd and 3rd option vs Magic - 32.7 ppg
Kobe's 2nd & 3rd option vs Magic - 32.0 ppg
Lebron had no help though
How does he lose an elimination game, where Mo, Delonte and Andy V go for a 53 pts on 22/43 shooting? How you the GOAT and lose to Dwight Howard like that?
Orlando shot 41% from 3 again Cleveland
They shot 33% against LA
there's you answer
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The Mind Fvcker
Re: Lebron played with 3 different guys who won titles as the man
Originally Posted by Duncan21formvp
Lebron played on team where guys won titles as the man. He played with Ben Wallace who was the only allstar on a team that won it all and then lost to Dwight Howard with that player. He played with Shaq who has 3 finals mvp's (including winning with Kobe and Wade but only round 2 with Lebron) and he played with Wade who has a finals mvp. In fact Lebron played with all of them when they had all won already and Lebron hadn't won jack. He also has been down in a series every year of his career at least 3-2 in a series.
The very next year Billups, Prince, and R. Wallace were all-stars also. They had to win it all to be voted in as all-stars the next year even though their play during the year they won it was at an all-star level.
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Embiid > Jokic
Re: Lebron played with 3 different guys who won titles as the man
Originally Posted by ImKobe
Ben Wallace was their 3rd fcking big in rotation, that's how stacked their frontcourt was. Lebron lost to Dwight Howard in 6 games with his 2nd option averaging 18 ppg while Kobe beat the same team with their 2nd all-star returning for the series in just 5.
Lebron's 2nd and 3rd option vs Magic - 32.7 ppg
Kobe's 2nd & 3rd option vs Magic - 32.0 ppg
Lebron had no help though
How does he lose an elimination game, where Mo, Delonte and Andy V go for a 53 pts on 22/43 shooting? How you the GOAT and lose to Dwight Howard like that?
Dwight vs the stacked Cavs frontcourt: 26/13 on 65%
Dwight vs the Lakers frontcourt: 15/15 on 49%
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Re: Lebron played with 3 different guys who won titles as the man
Originally Posted by ImKobe
Ben Wallace was their 3rd fcking big in rotation, that's how stacked their frontcourt was. Lebron lost to Dwight Howard in 6 games with his 2nd option averaging 18 ppg while Kobe beat the same team with their 2nd all-star returning for the series in just 5.
Lebron's 2nd and 3rd option vs Magic - 32.7 ppg
Kobe's 2nd & 3rd option vs Magic - 32.0 ppg
Lebron had no help though
How does he lose an elimination game, where Mo, Delonte and Andy V go for a 53 pts on 22/43 shooting? How you the GOAT and lose to Dwight Howard like that?
Stop being disingenuous. Do we really need to talk about how bad Mo was in that series?
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Lebron played with 3 different guys who won titles as the man
Originally Posted by ShawkFactory
Stop being disingenuous. Do we really need to talk about how bad Mo was in that series?
Hedo was worse
That series was a shootout where both teams scored well above their normal ORtg's (no defense by either team)
So whoever could outscore the other would win, and dwight-ball proved to be > lebron-ball
lebron-ball lost another shootout in 17' Finals, despite 29 ppg kyrie.. unfortunately, they were out-assisted by a million, so their #26 all-time offense was no match for the Warriors' #1
This is standard with lebron-ball - ultimately, his weaker championship record didn't reflect lack of personal or supporting talent, but an approach to the game that didn't yield the best offenses, brand of ball, and teams of his era.. this causes all the underdog talk, and subsequent attempts to change the goat criteria away from winning, into losing but appearing outmatched (weaponizing losing because the star can't field the best teams, offenses, or brand of ball)
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Le11th
Re: Lebron played with 3 different guys who won titles as the man
Originally Posted by ImKobe
Ben Wallace was their 3rd fcking big in rotation, that's how stacked their frontcourt was. Lebron lost to Dwight Howard in 6 games with his 2nd option averaging 18 ppg while Kobe beat the same team with their 2nd all-star returning for the series in just 5.
Lebron's 2nd and 3rd option vs Magic - 32.7 ppg
Kobe's 2nd & 3rd option vs Magic - 32.0 ppg
Lebron had no help though
How does he lose an elimination game, where Mo, Delonte and Andy V go for a 53 pts on 22/43 shooting? How you the GOAT and lose to Dwight Howard like that?
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Re: Lebron played with 3 different guys who won titles as the man
Originally Posted by 3ball
Hedo was worse
That series was a shootout where both teams scored well above their normal ORtg's (no defense by either team)
So whoever could outscore the other would win, and dwight-ball proved to be > lebron-ball
lebron-ball lost another shootout in 17' Finals, despite 29 ppg kyrie.. unfortunately, they were out-assisted by a million, so their #26 all-time offense was no match for the Warriors' #1
This is standard with lebron-ball - ultimately, his weaker championship record didn't reflect lack of personal or supporting talent, but an approach to the game that didn't yield the best offenses, brand of ball, and teams of his era.. this causes all the underdog talk, and subsequent attempts to change the goat criteria away from winning, into losing but appearing outmatched (weaponizing losing because the star can't field the best teams, offenses, or brand of ball)
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