How come Lebron couldn't win with Shaq like Kobe did???

[Psycho]

There is no way some of you asking this question are stupid enough to equate 2010 Shaq to the real Shaq. So whats the goal? See if you can get someone who doesnt see what youre doing upset?

Free speech for free speech's sake, my friend.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Really poor troll attempt. Not much thought put into this one.

[SewerUrchin]

STAN FIGHT!!!

[tazb]

How come Kobe chased Mike Brown out of town when LeBron took him to the finals?

[dh144498]

/thread

[DonDadda59]

STAN FIGHT!!!

But it's more like this:

[fpliii]

OT (sorta): For which seasons was Shaq still 'MDE Shaq', in your book? Some people have say he was only that guy in 00/01, and on the other side of the spectrum you have people putting him on that level from when he came into the league through the end of his tenure in Miami. What do you guys think?

[alleykat]

Dunno but he's winning tho. LA is as well. Cp3 is doing great.....

[ShaqAttack3234]

OT (sorta): For which seasons was Shaq still 'MDE Shaq', in your book? Some people have say he was only that guy in 00/01, and on the other side of the spectrum you have people putting him on that level from when he came into the league through the end of his tenure in Miami. What do you guys think?

'00 and '01 were Shaq at his absolute best, more focused from start to finish in 2000, but those 2 years were his best mix of physical dominance, skills and knowledge. I think '02 can be put in there, he was heavier and had more nagging injuries, but with the new defensive rules, the fact he made his free throws at 65% during the playoffs and his impact at both ends, I think he was still close.

I don't use the "MDE" thing myself since I don't think it's particularly good or accurate title, but at the earliest, I guess you could start that period in '98 when his overall individual ability was pretty much as good as it ever was(became a bit more skilled and mature once Phil took over, though slightly less athletic)

[fpliii]

'00 and '01 were Shaq at his absolute best, more focused from start to finish in 2000, but those 2 years were his best mix of physical dominance, skills and knowledge. I think '02 can be put in there, he was heavier and had more nagging injuries, but with the new defensive rules, the fact he made his free throws at 65% during the playoffs and his impact at both ends, I think he was still close.

I don't use the "MDE" thing myself since I don't think it's particularly good or accurate title, but at the earliest, I guess you could start that period in '98 when his overall individual ability was pretty much as good as it ever was(became a bit more skilled and mature once Phil took over, though slightly less athletic)

Pretty reasonable IMO. If you had to rate his seasons on a 1-10 scale (10 being most impactful), how would it look? I'm not necessarily looking at consistency here, just for your evaluation of his level of play at the end of the season/playoffs (meaning 00,01 would be a 10):

93:
94:
95:
96:
97:
98:
99:
00: 10
01: 10
02:
03:
04:
05:
06:
07:
08:
09:
10:
11:

Anybody else can feel free to chime in as well (apologies to the OP for semi-hijacking the thread).

[arifgokcen]

Another troll thread man this is never going to end

[branslowski]

Shaq was old and a Shell of his self....but interesting thread wen the same ppl who say Shaq was old in Miami ("dats why Bron ain't win")be da same ppl who bash Kobe for losing with "talent" in 04" with washed up Payton and Malone...lmao

[ShaqAttack3234]

Pretty reasonable IMO. If you had to rate his seasons on a 1-10 scale (10 being most impactful), how would it look? I'm not necessarily looking at consistency here, just for your evaluation of his level of play at the end of the season/playoffs (meaning 00,01 would be a 10):

93:
94:
95:
96:
97:
98:
99:
00: 10
01: 10
02:
03:
04:
05:
06:
07:
08:
09:
10:
11:

Anybody else can feel free to chime in as well (apologies to the OP for semi-hijacking the thread).

Alright, kind of difficult, but I'll give it a shot.

93: 7
94: 8
95: 8.5
96: 8
97: 8
98: 9
99: 8
00: 10
01: 10
02: 9.5
03: 8.5
04: 8
05: 8
06: 7
07: 5
08: 3
09: 5.5
10: 3
11: 2

3peat is self explanatory. I loved his play in '98, he dominated Seattle in every facet of the game to the point George Karl and Bob Weiss were calling him the best big man ever. Then vs Utah after a poor game 1 when it was a huge blowout, he was in dominant form the next 3 games, and kept playing until the final buzzer even when the rest of his team had crumbled and appeared to have quit. Ultimately, the highest I can give him is a 9 though because he failed to win with the most talented team in the league, and at least some of that seemed to be due to his leadership being inferior to the 3peat.

I took some points away for injuries and poor playoff performances by his standard. If you have any questions about my rankings for particular years, feel free to ask.

[Legends66NBA7]

Why are people allowed to post garbage like this?

Good first post, even if took 3 years.

[cavsfanatic]

Why are people allowed to post garbage like this?

great 1st post. They need better mods on this forum