So what's up with Cleveland and Lebron?

[triangleoffense]

We gonna act like there's no pieces there? Seems like Lebron can't really go all the way without 2 other superstars on his side.

[Im so nba'd out]

How bout them lakers

[Cocaine80s]

Bosh and Irving were never considered superstars

[Fudge]

Imagine what Durant would do with Love and Irving as his teammates. Top seed in the East right now, I guarantee it.

[edrick]

We gonna act like there's no pieces there? Seems like Lebron can't really go all the way without 2 other superstars on his side.

You just described practically every top team in the West.

Neither Love nor Irving have any playoff experience, that's not something that should be ignored. Bosh barely had any playoff experience before joining the Heat, either.

[pauk]

1. Interior defense
2. Kyrie Irving never was & never will be a superstar, the guy is essentially a better Mo Williams with flashy handles, not a bad thing, but yea and i dont consider Love a superstar aswell.
3. The rest of the roster is basically what you would call "scrubs".
4. Chemistry, but thats normal for a new team/offense etc. playing their first games together.
5. Did i mention interior defense?

Thats what is going on.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Imagine what Durant would do with Love and Irving as his teammates. Top seed in the East right now, I guarantee it.

Sorry bud but Durant isn't stopping other teams from taking shits on the Cavs frontcourt.

[STATUTORY]

1. Interior defense
2. Kyrie Irving never was & never will be a superstar, the guy is essentially a better Mo Williams with flashy handles, not a bad thing, but yea and i dont consider Love a superstar aswell.
3. The rest of the roster is basically what you would call "scrubs".
4. Chemistry, but thats normal for a new team/offense etc. playing their first games together.
5. Did i mention interior defense?

Thats what is going on.

dat scapegoating, dat deflection, dat smoke screen



Kyrie universally considered top 3 PG last year = mo williams now

Love, the guy that Lebron personally campaigned and recruited for = never was good

[pauk]

Imagine what Durant would do with Love and Irving as his teammates. Top seed in the East right now, I guarantee it.

Yea im sure he would do better with a team who at every position (and bench) plays much worse defense compared to OKC.... and KD's defense wont help much either...

[Cocaine80s]

dat scapegoating, dat deflection, dat smoke screen



Kyrie universally considered top 3 PG last year = mo williams now

Love, the guy that Lebron personally campaigned and recruited for = never was good

[Relinquish]

dat scapegoating, dat deflection, dat smoke screen



Kyrie universally considered top 3 PG last year = mo williams now

Love, the guy that Lebron personally campaigned and recruited for = never was good

Kyrie wasn't even top 8 last year, and still might not be.

You are on some shit.

[pauk]

dat scapegoating, dat deflection, dat smoke screen



Kyrie universally considered top 3 PG last year = mo williams now

Love, the guy that Lebron personally campaigned and recruited for = never was good

I didnt say Kyrie = Mo Williams, i said Kyrie is a better version of Mo Williams, similar games/gamestyles at that size/position especially when Lebron is next to him. Lebrons game is similar to Scottie Pippen, doesnt mean he is only that good. Understand? And no, Kyrie was not top 3 PG last year.

Love is great offensively, but horrible defensively, for the outcome of the game it almost nullifies whatever he does offensively..... he is the #1 problem for Cavs lack of interior defense...

[STATUTORY]

Kyrie wasn't even top 8 last year, and still might not be.

You are on some shit.

8 point guards better than Kyrie last year?

name them

[Undisputed]

Maybe this just isn't their year. Which doesn't diminish LeBron, Irving, and Love at all. It's just going to take some time.

[Cocaine80s]

8 point guards better than Kyrie last year?

name them

Curry
Cp3
Westbrook
Lillard
Parker
Wall

were all better

Not 8 but Kyrie definitely was not top 3 last year