Top European players ever - according to players at Eurobasket

[Euroleague]

I expect they show some knowledge of european basketball history

Well, maybe if they asked more than 38 guys it would be different. That's a ridiculously low sample size, considering there were 288 players at EuroBasket.

So they only asked 13% of the players, and probably they were mainly talking to NBA players.

Also, not asking the coaches is stupid, as obviously the coaches will have more knowledge on the subject.

I mean you can easily make the argument that Dalipagic is the best European SF ever, and he did not even get a single vote. Galis is pretty much considered the best European scorer ever, again no votes.

Belov actually is most accomplished European player ever - no votes.

Even Schrempf, Marciulionis, Ilgauskas, and Smits that had good NBA careers, did not get any votes.

Etc.


That pretty much shows how absurd this poll is.

[alexd]

This is trolling bullshit.

Navarro will be first in both categories as soon as he plays one game next season. So if you want to bring up arguments like that, no way in hell can Diamantidis be over Navarro.

No matter what, you are still trolling.

Accomplishments wise Spanoulis is ahead of Diamantidis in Euroleague history.

Stats wise Navarro is ahead of Diamantidis in Euroleague history.

Either way you are totally full of shit.

OK lets end this once an for all
Spanoulis
Awards
Greek Basket League Best Young Player(2002)
5x All-Euroleague Team
3x All-Euroleague Second Team
2x All-Euroleague First Team
5x Greek Basket League Champion (But just 2 as a leader.The other 3 he was a role player in Panathinaikos where Diamantidis was the leader after Alvertis)
3x Greek Basket League assists leader
3x Euroleague Champion
3x Euroleague Final Four MVP
2x Greek League MVP
Balkan Athlete of the Year
Triple Crown Champion
All-Europe Player of the Year
Euroleague MVP

Career Stats in Euroleague
Total games played : 148 (started with Panathinaikos 2005)
16th in Performance Index Rating (PIR)
13th in Points scored
6th in Assists

Diamantidis
Awards
5x Greek League MVP
7x Greek Cup Champion
6x Euroleague Best Defender
8x Greek League Champion
4x All-Euroleague First Team
3x Euroleague Champion
2x Euroleague Final Four MVP
2x Greek League Assist Leader
2x Triple Crown Champion
European Player of the Year: Mr. Europa
Greek Athlete of the Year
All-Europe Player of the Year
Greek Cup MVP
Euroleague 2001-10 All-Decade Team
Euroleague MVP
Euroleague Assists Leader(2011)
Greek League Best Defender: (2011)

Career Stats in Euroleague
Games played : 196
3rd in Performance Index Rating (PIR)
16th in Points scored
15th in Rebounds
2nd in Assists
1st in Steals
15th in Blocks
As you can see in Diamantidis is MUCH better and much more versatile player than the one dimension Spanoulis.Spanoulis can score,turnover and make assists.Diamantidis is a POINT GUARD that ranks 15TH IN BLOCKS and 1st in steals...let me say it again...POINT GUARD.He s a true two-way player.Something Spanoulis will never ever be.If you still can t admit that Diamantidis > Spanoulis then you are clearly delusional and i won t bother anymore to teach you about basketball cause you are clearly insane
so once again my little friend from Arkansas that doesn t even know greek language but wanna teach me about my country

[dr.hee]

so once again my little friend from Arkansas that doesn t even know greek language but wanna teach me about my country

Euroleague busted again, prepare for more name calling

[Euroleague]

OK lets end this once an for all
Spanoulis
Awards
Greek Basket League Best Young Player(2002)
5x All-Euroleague Team
3x All-Euroleague Second Team
2x All-Euroleague First Team
5x Greek Basket League Champion (But just 2 as a leader.The other 3 he was a role player in Panathinaikos where Diamantidis was the leader after Alvertis)
3x Greek Basket League assists leader
3x Euroleague Champion
3x Euroleague Final Four MVP
2x Greek League MVP
Balkan Athlete of the Year
Triple Crown Champion
All-Europe Player of the Year
Euroleague MVP

Career Stats in Euroleague
Total games played : 148 (started with Panathinaikos 2005)
16th in Performance Index Rating (PIR)
13th in Points scored
6th in Assists

Diamantidis
Awards
5x Greek League MVP
7x Greek Cup Champion
6x Euroleague Best Defender
8x Greek League Champion
4x All-Euroleague First Team
3x Euroleague Champion
2x Euroleague Final Four MVP
2x Greek League Assist Leader
2x Triple Crown Champion
European Player of the Year: Mr. Europa
Greek Athlete of the Year
All-Europe Player of the Year
Greek Cup MVP
Euroleague 2001-10 All-Decade Team
Euroleague MVP
Euroleague Assists Leader(2011)
Greek League Best Defender: (2011)

Career Stats in Euroleague
Games played : 196
3rd in Performance Index Rating (PIR)
16th in Points scored
15th in Rebounds
2nd in Assists
1st in Steals
15th in Blocks
As you can see in Diamantidis is MUCH better and much more versatile player than the one dimension Spanoulis.Spanoulis can score,turnover and make assists.Diamantidis is a POINT GUARD that ranks 15TH IN BLOCKS and 1st in steals...let me say it again...POINT GUARD.He s a true two-way player.Something Spanoulis will never ever be.If you still can t admit that Diamantidis > Spanoulis then you are clearly delusional and i won t bother anymore to teach you about basketball cause you are clearly insane
so once again my little friend from Arkansas that doesn t even know greek language but wanna teach me about my country

Go back to Albania troll.

[alexd]

Go back to Albania troll.

Ofc you have no answer

[Rooster]

Vassilis Spanoulis says hello -

3x Euroleague champion - 2009, 2012, 2013
3x Euroleague Final Four MVP - 2009, 2012, 2013 (tied for most ever)
Euroleague MVP - 2013
5x All-Euroleague Team - 2006, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013 (2nd most ever)
All Europe Player of The Year - 2012 (Parker never won this award for Europe's top player of the season)

Century Index Ranking: 16th - Parker is 20th
Century Points Rankings: 13th - Parker is 31st


Not to mention that Parker is ALREADY RETIRED.

Parker only played 5 years of minor league.

[Euroleague]

Ofc you have no answer

Spanoulis has more MVPs and more all Euroleague selections than Diamantidis. He is in his prime and Diamantidis is nearing retirement.

You are a delusional and sad pathetic troll.

[alexd]

Spanoulis has more MVPs and more all Euroleague selections than Diamantidis. He is in his prime and Diamantidis is nearing retirement.

You are a delusional and sad pathetic troll.

And worse stats and less awards.And the fact that Diamantidis is near retirement and Spanoulis is in his prime has nothing to do with who is better so i can t understand why you keep bringing it up.I guess because you got nothing else

[Euroleague]

And worse stats and less awards.And the fact that Diamantidis is near retirement and Spanoulis is in his prime has nothing to do with who is better so i can t understand why you keep bringing it up.I guess because you got nothing else

You are mad because Diamantidis is near retirement, and of course because Spanoulis will 100% pass him in most of those stats.

[alexd]

You are mad because Diamantidis is near retirement, and of course because Spanoulis will 100% pass him in most of those stats.

so we agree as of now (since Spanoulis hasn t surpassed Diamantidis in most stats yet..your words not mine)Diamantidis>Spanoulis