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Re: MLB Season Discussion Thread: 2023
Adding a steal base, it's 52/52 now.
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Re: MLB Season Discussion Thread: 2023
Originally Posted by BurningHammer
Adding a steal base, it's 52/52 now.
Are you Asian or something??
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Re: MLB Season Discussion Thread: 2023
Originally Posted by Charlie Sheen
The first MVP version never had Shohei's power. The goat power hitter version of Bonds was not ripping 50 bags under any set of rules.
Bonds was better at both but never at the same time.
Tbh that isn't true, Bonds in 94 hit homeruns at a higher rate than Shohei ever has and he had 29 steals in 112 games to boot. He also had 46 homers and 29 steals the season before. You're definitely right that juiced Bonds wasn't much of a stolen base threat relatively speaking (he wasn't a complete nonfactor there either but certainly not someone making pitchers sweat).
People don't realize how good Bonds was even before steroids. I would say Bonds even without steroids is a top 10 position player ever pretty easily, career wise. Peak wise is much harder but he's probably there too, but that gets much tougher because we've seen some truly insane peaks and obviously you have to include guys like Ohtani who haven't played that long. For position players when discussing the GOAT peaks you'd also have to specify one year or multi-year. Some guys like Jeff Bagwell or Frank Thomas had pretty insane one year peaks.
Btw Bobby Witt Jr is actually also having a crazy year all time wise, and I'm not sure he's peaked. Pretty crazy time for elit players with Ohtani, Judge, and him around. Gunnar Henderson, Ketel Marte, Francisco Lindor, and Juan Soto are all also MVP level players despite not being on the same level as the "big 3". And of course you have to throw a healthy Betts and Acuna in there.
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Re: MLB Season Discussion Thread: 2023
I also think if your takeaway from someone doing something historic is to post about me you're pretty deranged but we already knew that about wf and Chewing, who have nothing better to do than rage about people who don't like Trump.
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Re: MLB Season Discussion Thread: 2023
Originally Posted by RRR3
Tbh that isn't true, Bonds in 94 hit homeruns at a higher rate than Shohei ever has and he had 29 steals in 112 games to boot. He also had 46 homers and 29 steals the season before. You're definitely right that juiced Bonds wasn't much of a stolen base threat relatively speaking (he wasn't a complete nonfactor there either but certainly not someone making pitchers sweat).
People don't realize how good Bonds was even before steroids. I would say Bonds even without steroids is a top 10 position player ever pretty easily, career wise. Peak wise is much harder but he's probably there too, but that gets much tougher because we've seen some truly insane peaks and obviously you have to include guys like Ohtani who haven't played that long. For position players when discussing the GOAT peaks you'd also have to specify one year or multi-year. Some guys like Jeff Bagwell or Frank Thomas had pretty insane one year peaks.
Btw Bobby Witt Jr is actually also having a crazy year all time wise, and I'm not sure he's peaked. Pretty crazy time for elit players with Ohtani, Judge, and him around. Gunnar Henderson, Ketel Marte, Francisco Lindor, and Juan Soto are all also MVP level players despite not being on the same level as the "big 3". And of course you have to throw a healthy Betts and Acuna in there.
When discussing peaks for baseball players you always have to use more than one year. Despite 162 being generally a good equalizer for variance, outliers still do happen. Sometimes it can take until the offseason for pitchers to realize what a hitter is doing and make the necessary adjustments.
Unless injuries are a factor I’d say a minimum of 2 but more ideally 3 is what a peak discussion should be.
Last edited by ShawkFactory; Today at 09:24 AM.
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Re: MLB Season Discussion Thread: 2023
Originally Posted by RRR3
I also think if your takeaway from someone doing something historic is to post about me you're pretty deranged but we already knew that about wf and Chewing, who have nothing better to do than rage about people who don't like Trump.
Sorry for laughing at you when you are acting like a retard with shit like “what Ohtani is doing isn’t unprecedented”
But okay…. it’s about Donald Trump now? lol
You are such a f.ucking loser. lol
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Re: MLB Season Discussion Thread: 2023
Originally Posted by ShawkFactory
When discussing peaks for baseball players you always have to use more than one year. Despite 162 being generally a good equalizer for variance, outliers still do happen. Sometimes it can take until the offseason for pitchers to realize what a hitter is doing and make the necessary adjustments.
Unless injuries are a factor I’d say a minimum of 2 but more ideally 3 is what a peak discussion should be.
Fair enough who do you have for greatest peak?
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Re: MLB Season Discussion Thread: 2023
Originally Posted by warriorfan
Sorry for laughing at you when you are acting like a retard with shit like “what Ohtani is doing isn’t unprecedented”
But okay…. it’s about Donald Trump now? lol
You are such a f.ucking loser. lol
You have spent literal hours arguing Chris Bosh was better than Scottie Pippen because you have an obsessive hatred for LeBron (the basketball equivalent of Ohtani).
The lack of self awareness is stunning.
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