MJ's 1988 DPOY is now being "Questioned". HOME vs ROAD Steals has twice as much Gap

[eliteballer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh7M5z_caGk

[3ba11]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh7M5z_caGk

The article says that for a 6-game stretch, 28 steals were recorded by stat-keepers but only 12 of them were real, so why would stat-keepers try to add nearly 3 steals per game over a 6-game stretch and think they could get away with it?... That's a ton of steals to think they could get away with by just adding 3 per game to MJ's totals - it's extremely absurd tbh... (16 extra steals over 6 games is 2.5 steals per game).

Why would anyone think they could get away with that?... It's because it never happened - the 16 "fake" steals are subjective calls and Haberstroh already pointed out the most notable one on Chris Broussard's show (posted previously itt) where MJ and a teammate tip the ball and MJ comes up with it... Haberstroh states that this should be a steal for the teammate (Mike Brown) but it's completely subjective - it looked like MJ did touched the ball as well and he came up with it - it wasn't some kind of robbery that required scrutiny and we don't even know who the steal was attributed to - it was just assumed that this was a robbery...

btw, people don't realize that his steals was just an extra - that isn't what made him a great defender.. He was a great defender because he fostered a culture of effort, which coupled with long-standing chemistry yields a great team defense, regardless of cast.. He also held most primary matchups like Magic, Drexler, Miller, Dumars, Isiah, Majerle and more to 35-43% shooting - he did this to nearly every primary matchup, while carrying the goat offensive load, aka GOAT.. So again, his steals and blocks were just a bonus or icing on a goat cake.

Finally, the article showed that many dpoy's had 50-60% higher steals & blocks at home, so Jordan's 82% means little and could be explained many ways aside from bad score-keeping - that's such a leap in the face of other possible conclusions.. i.e. MJ is the only goat scorer among a group of low-scoring DPOY's - his 2-way burden and energy requirements were so much higher, so he benefitted from the home crowd much more and probably gambled less for steals on the road to save energy.. Essentially, Jordan's abnormal energy management requirements from his 2-way burden are shown in the steals number on the road - this is just one possible reason why the only goat saw a slightly greater bounce at home than your typical DPOY, so there's no need to jump the gun and assume the record-keepers are cheating.

[3ba11]

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Haberstroh took a 6-game sample and stated that record-keepers added nearly 3 steals per game over the sample (16 "fake" steals).. He spoke about the most noteworthy play to Chris Broussard, which was posted earlier itt - it's clearly a toss-up.. Using this subjective nitpicking of close calls, he supposedly saw 15 more of those over a 6-game sample.. That's his evidence but he doesn't actually post it - he expects us to take his word... He needs to post the 16 "fake" steals on a webpage somewhere so fans could see for themselves.. I already posted one of them earlier itt, so it wouldn't take long at all.. Then release another 6 games next month and 6 more in the 3rd month, so we have 18 game sample over 3 months with 50+ "fake" steals - THEN he would have something.. But instead, what he provided is complete trash and obviously a fraudulent scam and a quite lazy one I might add.. Lebron said a few weeks ago that he was unhappy with 2013 DPOY voting and a few weeks later this article comes out with a 6-game sample of the same completely-slanted, subjective garbage that they accuse the original record-keepers of.

[gengiskhan]

Klutch Media can try all they want.

The rules had been set since 1987 for Perimeter defender!

Get to 200-100 first, than complain about DPOY.

2013 LBJ got to 129-67! thats it. Thats not even Pippen numbers for a 6' 8" guy.

Only reason he got DPOY Runner-Up spot is because of the SUPER team!.

No Klutch Media hit piece against MJ can fudge LBJ's decent defensive stats.

LBJ just cannot deflect balls. create defensive chaos like 1986-1990 MJ did.

[RRR3]

Klutch Media can try all they want.

The rules had been set since 1987 for Perimeter defender!

Get to 200-100 first, than complain about DPOY.

2013 LBJ got to 129-67! thats it. Thats not even Pippen numbers for a 6' 8" guy.

Only reason he got DPOY Runner-Up spot is because of the SUPER team!.

No Klutch Media hit piece against MJ can fudge LBJ's decent defensive stats.

LBJ just cannot deflect balls. create defensive chaos like 1986-1990 MJ did.

It's true LeBron cannot get credited for stuff he didn't do, only MJ gets that advantage.

[SATAN]

I want to step away from the inflated stats subject and bring up something else rather interesting from the article. Notice what the author wrote about MJ's defensive philosophy and strategy at this stage of his career.

Jordan made sure his discontent was known. In an 18-page Sports Illustrated feature in which SI writer Curry Kirkpatrick entrenched himself inside Jordan’s growing empire, the Chicago Bulls star expressed deep resentment about his lack of recognition. In particular, Jordan called out the voting contingency about its apparent disregard for box-score statistics like blocks and steals.

“Michael Cooper is great at ball denial,” Jordan told SI. “But check his other stats...

The Chicago Bull registered another six-steal game later that month. And another. In late January against the lowly New Jersey Nets, Jordan posted a career-high and franchise-record 10 steals. He didn’t even play the fourth quarter.

The mission consumed him. After the history-making Nets game, he openly admitted to hunting for steals so he could break the record. "I knew I was close, and I asked to find out what the record was,” Jordan told the Chicago Tribune that night. “I was on a roll. I was going for it, reaching for everything.”

At this point in his career, by his own admission MJ, considered stats (blocks and steals) to be the barometer for defensive effectiveness. He even contrasted his defensive strategy against Michael Cooper's stating that Cooper focused on things such as ball denial while he, himself focused on stats. Then he also admitted that he did a lot of reaching to increase his steals quantity, in his mind, proving that he is a great defender.

This actually reinforces what the Thinking Basketball YouTuber stated about MJ's defense in his greatest peaks series. While he praised MJ's overall defense, he mentioned that MJ often reached, swiped, and gambled for steals looking for the "home-run" play when simply playing the offensive player straight up may have been a more effective option.

LeBron would have been heavily criticized for stuff like this. MJ stans are cancer to basketball...

[sdot_thadon]

5 games isn't a sample - I'm sure they could get more games........ And they only provided specifics on 1 of the games... He literally used a one-off to make his case....

GTFOH, 6 games is a playoff series worth of games I'd say it's plenty considering the splits raising the questions. If they do 41 games and they've all got padded steals and blocks what then? You'd still say it was some pr campaign lol. Truth is we take smaller sample sizes to prove stuff about Mj and Lebron every day here. There was a set based on a chunk of a season that you yourself have used here as a Bible on his mid range shooting. This is new and it's not a good look. Just take the L and talk about the things he actually did, that's alot more respectable.

[3ba11]

GTFOH, 6 games is a playoff series worth of games I'd say it's plenty considering the splits raising the questions. If they do 41 games and they've all got padded steals and blocks what then? You'd still say it was some pr campaign lol. Truth is we take smaller sample sizes to prove stuff about Mj and Lebron every day here. There was a set based on a chunk of a season that you yourself have used here as a Bible on his mid range shooting. This is new and it's not a good look. Just take the L and talk about the things he actually did, that's alot more respectable.

6 games is sufficient?

Lol

Give it up

And what were the other 5 games?.. it's a bs story and the one notable possession that he talked to Broussard about was a Jordan steal!!! (shown earlier itt)... So it's just lies

[eliteballer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH7hC5qOURs

[eliteballer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOILLoXF4dY

[SATAN]

This is new and it's not a good look. Just take the L and talk about the things he actually did, that's alot more respectable.

We all see Jordan as a good player but literally nothing other than worship is good enough good enough for these fascists...

[sdot_thadon]

6 games is sufficient?

Lol

Give it up

And what were the other 5 games?.. it's a bs story and the one notable possession that he talked to Broussard about was a Jordan steal!!! (shown earlier itt)... So it's just lies

I'm sorry this is happening to you/Mj, but it's not been proven any kind of lie. You just can't handle the truth, there's help out there ya know...

[BlackMamba8]

I'm sorry this is happening to you/Mj, but it's not been proven any kind of lie. You just can't handle the truth, there's help out there ya know...

hey diva, you can try to find anything to diminish anything MJ did.....but the fact is that hes 6/6 in the finals and bron has 4 chips in 20 years while switching teams LOL...now be gone or ill have to **** you up myself......got it? SHUT YOUR MOUTH

[eliteballer]

People going nuts in the comments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x63V0I5T-zA

[Da_Realist]