1991-93 Scottie Pippen vs. 2024 Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown

[ImKobe]

Tatum and Brown can "take over" games, while Pippen cannot and never did - Tatum and Brown are also 30-point threats at any point in time, while Pippen wasn't capable of 30 points in the playoffs - Pippen only has 6 games with 30 points in 208 games - that's a completely different player than Tatum and Brown.. Pippen was just a dunker and not a viable option in the clutch, while Tatum/Brown require real defensive attention and make big plays down the stretch of every game.

Yeah but that's just the 3PT chucking era that we're in. Celtics technically have 5 guys who can "take over" a game when they have a hot 3PT shooting night, and by design those guys shoot them 5+ times a game so it just becomes a crapshoot of whoever's hot on a given night.

Neither of them are a true #1 in terms of their production on their team. Derrick White led the Celtics in winshares, BPM & VORP in these Playoffs because he was ultra-efficient in his role with 40% 3PT shooting on 8.5 attempts and with him averaging less than a turnover a game.

[3ba11]

Yeah but that's just the 3PT chucking era that we're in. Celtics technically have 5 guys who can "take over" a game when they have a hot 3PT shooting night, and by design those guys shoot them 5+ times a game so it just becomes a crapshoot of whoever's hot on a given night.

Neither of them are a true #1 in terms of their production on their team. Derrick White led the Celtics in winshares, BPM & VORP in these Playoffs because he was ultra-efficient in his role with 40% 3PT shooting on 8.5 attempts and with him averaging less than a turnover a game.

Neither are a top-tier #1 options but they're still better scorers and #1 options than Pippen - Pippen could not be the best scorer on a champion - people point to Rip Hamilton, Chauncey, or even these Celtics but Pippen couldn't score like any of these guys - he couldn't get 30 in the playoffs!!.. He was mostly a transition player and couldn't be the best scorer on a champion - there just wouldn't be enough talent if a dunker like Pippen was the best scorer on the team..

Tatum and Brown have considerably more offensive skill to control an offensive possession and take over a possession, so they can get by as the best scorer on a champion, while a simple dunker and facilitator like Pippen can't.. they're actually wildly sophisticated on the offensive end compared to Pippen

[RRR3]

Kobe was way better relative to his league (in both volume and efficiency) than Tatum & Brown are to theirs.

I'm just happy Jaylen won the FMVP. Huge win for us on ISH who actually saw that Jaylen was on Tatum's level (or better) for years. People would get disgusted and call us trolls for saying it and now you can no longer deny it.

Tatum & Brown both are way too limited in their skill to ever come close to Kobe's level of play.

It's not a win for you unless you think Tony Parker was better than Duncan in 2007 or Iguodala was better than Curry in 2015. Tatum's shot was off in the finals, that's all.

[ImKobe]

It's not a win for you unless you think Tony Parker was better than Duncan in 2007 or Iguodala was better than Curry in 2015. Tatum's shot was off in the finals, that's all.

Oh it is because Jaylen won two MVPs in this Playoff run and both were well-deserved. Tatum was the best Celtic in only 1 out of the 4 series.

[RRR3]

Oh it is because Jaylen won two MVPs in this Playoff run and both were well-deserved. Tatum was the best Celtic in only 1 out of the 4 series.

Just gonna ignore all the prior years series Tatum was better?

[Axe]

Neither of them are a true #1 in terms of their production on their team. Derrick White led the Celtics in winshares, BPM & VORP in these Playoffs because he was ultra-efficient in his role with 40% 3PT shooting on 8.5 attempts and with him averaging less than a turnover a game.

Lmao you can only be a "true #1" when you're a superstar in a team full of scrubs, ala 2018 lebron. Whereas the gap between him and the next best player on his team is huge. But we all know that teams like that aren't always guaranteed to win against stacked teams (like the 2017 warriors) in a 7-game series under normal circumstances.

[And1AllDay]

bingooooo

[ImKobe]

Just gonna ignore all the prior years series Tatum was better?

Jaylen was the best Celtic in the 2022 Finals as well.

[Carbine]

Brown and Tatum are a lot like Manu and Parker not in terms of play styles, but the importance to the team. They're basically equals in the grand scheme of things.

[RRR3]

Jaylen was the best Celtic in the 2022 Finals as well.

3 series, 1 of which they lost makes up for Tatum being better the rest of the time? You love boasting about your stupidity, it's very weird.

[ImKobe]

3 series, 1 of which they lost makes up for Tatum being better the rest of the time? You love boasting about your stupidity, it's very weird.

They're both Paul George level players like I've been saying for years.

[1987_Lakers]

Jaylen was the best Celtic in the 2022 Finals as well.

Shaq was the best laker in every finals from 2000-2002

[Round Mound]

You guys don't miss MY Scottie Pippen. I've already explained how good he was. Tatum is better offensively in terms of shooting as a scorer. In the rest Pippen is better.

[3ba11]

You guys don't miss MY Scottie Pippen. I've already explained how good he was. Tatum is better offensively in terms of shooting as a scorer. In the rest Pippen is better.

He had 6 thirty-point playoff games in his career - he stunk but the winning spotlight inflated him to all-time status and media accolade

To win with Pippen, the 1st option must average 30 in the playoffs and 10+ more than Pippen in every series.. only 1 guy could do that, otherwise Pippen can't win as sidekick and must be 3rd option or worse.

Unlike someone like KAT, who was good immediately and made All-NBA on his own, Pippen had to win a couple titles to start getting all-NBA, just like Pau, Klay, Parker and a lot of winning sidekicks..

Pippen missed game 6 of the 89' ECF and lost in 6 games, and then he missed game 7 in 90' and they lost in 7 - he cost the Bulls titles... MJ almost beat the Pistons with nothing before Phil arrived - Phil simply arrived at the same time that MJ got all-star help, and MJ was unbeatable with all-star help

[ShawkFactory]

That era of Pippen was a similar level of impact as Brown now. He played great defense in this series and was much improved overall on that end this year but Pippen at that time was a killer on that end. Athletically he was capable of a ton and had a slightly better feel.

I’ve watched a lot of those playoff Bulls games and regardless of what the stat sheet said Pippen came up with a ton of huge momentum-turning plays, much like Brown did. Not necessarily the shot-making at the end because of course that was MJ time but energy seemed to turn for the team when he’d do something big, whether that be defensively leading to transition or a flurry of scoring.

Accounting for era and the scoring environment I’d probably say Pippen had a slightly better overall package but it’s close.

Tatum is a different story because I feel like his game is similar in a lot of ways. Like if Pippen grew up in this era with the 3 being more emphasized I could see it looking close. Tatum has a better handle and shot off the dribble but Pippen had the kind of no-hesitation stuff at times that Tatum still lacks in spurts.