Peak Magic Johnson vs Peak Jokic

[TheMan]

We're debating him with Magic and you're bringing up defense

Good point, a point guard being below avg defensively isn't as bad as a center though. Curry is debated as being top 10 GOAT and he's a turnstile on defense. Jokic IMO should not be put above other GOAT Centers who weren't absolute dog shit on D. It's goofy to compare PGs and Cs to begin with

As a center, Jokic is to offense is what Bill Russell was to defense haha.

[tontoz]

Good point, a point guard being below avg defensively isn't as bad as a center though. Curry is debated as being top 10 GOAT and he's a turnstile on defense. Jokic IMO should not be put above other GOAT Centers who weren't absolute dog shit on D. It's goofy to compare PGs and Cs to begin with

As a center, Jokic is to offense is what Bill Russell was to defense haha.

Curry is not a turnstile on D. That is low IQ nonsense. He was only below average in his early years.

Denver was ranked 8th in defensive efficiency during season even though they were cruising through a lot of the season, and they don't have any dpoy candidates like Michael Cooper.

[Mask the Embiid]

[tontoz]

Magic never had to worry about his teammates disappearing. Aside from Murray and Jokic the rest of the team had 21 points. Id bet nothing like that ever happened to Magic.

At least Jokic didn't lose in the first round to the Knicks.

[Charlie Sheen]

Magic never had to worry about his teammates disappearing. Aside from Murray and Jokic the rest of the team had 21 points. Id bet nothing like that ever happened to Magic.

That has much less to do with quality of teammates than how the game has changed.

Showtime Lakers were attempting as many 3's in a series as Nuggets were in a game.

Of course Magic was not going to experience wild swings in shooting that will occur over the short run in the 3>2 game.

[MrFonzworth]

[Soundwave]

That was rough for Magic, lol. Like 200 people being able to swarm the floor while there's still time on the clock (2 seconds) is wild.

[SouBeachTalents]

I know no ones immune to having bad games and even choking, but it's so strange to me that in his 5th season, after having already won 2 titles, 2 FMVP's, including the epic closeout without Kareem his rookie year, that Magic could be so spectacularly bad in the clutch for an entire series. It makes it even more inexplicable that he was consistently brilliant in the playoffs the rest of his career.

[mr4speed]

I know no ones immune to having bad games and even choking, but it's so strange to me that in his 5th season, after having already won 2 titles, 2 FMVP's, including the epic closeout without Kareem his rookie year, that Magic could be so spectacularly bad in the clutch for an entire series. It makes it even more inexplicable that he was consistently brilliant in the playoffs the rest of his career.

Kareem actually won the 1980 FMVP after Magic's great game 6 but because Kareem was not present, the voters were asked to change their votes so Magic would win the award. This is covered in the book titled "Kareem" pages 140-141. Magic was solid and great in game 6, but Kareem is why LA won the other 3 games. Magic also set an NBA Finals record with 30 turnovers in those 6 games. With Magic getting that 1980 FMVP award, it made the bar so high, there was going to be a disappointing performance at some time.

[Norcaliblunt]

Lmao at these Stans comparing Jokic to Magic.

Magic literally put the NBA on his shoulders and made it popular with his personality and aura.

Jokic is a straight up shy punk ass bitch.