Casts need great chemistry to play great but modern guys have high set-up times

[3ba11]

Ant, Luka, Lebron, Giannis, Embiid - all these perennial losers have high set-up times at the expense of teammates and chemistry.

So when they lose with top seeds, it's mistakenly blamed on needing more help/talent instead of needing better chemistry and brand of ball that elevates teammates

In contrast to the aforementioned ball-dominators, players that achieved perennial winning for various stretches had low set up times and didn't dominate the ball (Curry, Jokic, MJ), so they have better chemistry and better-performing casts.

It's amazing that Jordan was blamed for losing with rookie teams that won 30 games, but when the organic juggernauts and league favorites of modern stars lose, it's blamed on needing more on-paper talent - this includes on-paper favorites (preseason favorites).

So the modern media are DUMB FRAUDS - both things - they're both dumb and frauds, specifically because they've started this horrible trend of never blaming the top guy and his ability to have great chemistry and elevate teammates - instead, the cast is always blamed.

MJ was required to "elevate teammates", so he developed great chemistry to win with a "normal" cast, but today's stars aren't being held to the same standard - their losses are excused due to lack of help, regardless of how stacked the team was or how long they've been together, or how bad the star's brand of ball and chemistry is.. It's horseshit

[1987_Lakers]

What about Durant?

[FultzNationRISE]

Ant Man >

[SouBeachTalents]

Edwards has more playoff wins in this playoff run at 22 than Jordan had by 25.

[GimmeThat]

if you have to read both the other team and your own team, in the age of social media, how many teams are there for you?

[Carbine]

It's really weird to put Ant in this group. He does not play like that at all. Perennial loser at 22, imagine that. I'm going to take my own advice and stop replying to this fellah, it's truly a waste of our time.

[RRR3]

Edwards has more playoff wins in this playoff run at 22 than Jordan had by 25.

But he's somehow a perennial loser.

[3ba11]

Edwards has more playoff wins in this playoff run at 22 than Jordan had by 25.

Yes let's compare 4th Year team to 1st Year team, so we can say that 22-year Ant won more than 22 year Jordan.

This kind of dumb logic is how you created a fake debate with Lebron, but people are on to that crap with Ant already - Ric Bucher pointed out this obvious flaw of comparing 22-year olds that went to college to those that didn't or barely did.

Ant has an All-NBA teammate and also the goat defender that just won DPOY - that's more help than MJ three-peated with...

[Axe]

Yes let's compare 4th Year team to 1st Year team, so we can say that 22-year Ant won more than 22 year Jordan.

This kind of dumb logic is how you created a fake debate with Lebron, but people are on to that crap with Ant already - Ric Bucher pointed out this obvious flaw of comparing 22-year olds that went to college to those that didn't or barely did.

Ant has an All-NBA teammate and also the goat defender that just won DPOY - that's more help than MJ three-peated with...

Breathe.

[3ba11]

It's really weird to put Ant in this group. He does not play like that at all. Perennial loser at 22, imagine that. I'm going to take my own advice and stop replying to this fellah, it's truly a waste of our time.

Anyone can go re-watch Ant's 44 points on the highlights - they're all "down-hill" transition 3's or at-rim - he had 1 catch-and-go in the half court I think in the 2nd quarter and another mid-range shot later - that's about it... Otherwise, his game is extremely predictable - the Wolves will give it to him to bring the ball up court in transition and he will go for a 3 or layup.. .Rinse repeat... it's a higher set-up time and more predictable than the styles of Curry, MJ or Jokic, who hold the ball far less and generate goat ball movement - they have goat sophistication with their team offense and their non-ball-dominant style allows this higher strategic capacity... Otoh, Ant is vastly inferior compared to Jordan at the non-ball-dominant skills posted in gifs above (jab step, drop-step, first-step, off-ball), so his team's chemistry isn't good enough to elevate teammates and the team to championship level.. He still has to learn how to elevate teammates, but unfortunately, today's ball-dominators like Lebron, Luka, Embiid, etc never do and need to start teaming up together, and still mostly lose... it's sad.. then the media blames lack of help for the loss, instead of the player's inability to elevate teammates via great chemistry... Again, massive deficits in team assists support my claim of inferior brand of ball for Ant, Lebron and Luka.. Heck, the common thread in all of Lebron's playoff losses for the last 10 years is massive deficits in team assists

[Duffy Pratt]

Anyone can go re-watch Ant's 44 points on the highlights - they're all "down-hill" transition 3's or at-rim - he had 1 catch-and-go in the half court I think in the 2nd quarter and another mid-range shot later - that's about it... Otherwise, his game is extremely predictable - the Wolves will give it to him to bring the ball up court in transition and he will go for a 3 or layup.. .Rinse repeat... it's a higher set-up time and more predictable than the styles of Curry, MJ or Jokic, who hold the ball far less and generate goat ball movement - they have goat sophistication with their team offense and their non-ball-dominant style allows this higher strategic capacity... Otoh, Ant is vastly inferior compared to Jordan at the non-ball-dominant skills posted in gifs above (jab step, drop-step, first-step, off-ball), so his team's chemistry isn't good enough to elevate teammates and the team to championship level.. He still has to learn how to elevate teammates, but unfortunately, today's ball-dominators like Lebron, Luka, Embiid, etc never do and need to start teaming up together, and still mostly lose... it's sad.. then the media blames lack of help for the loss, instead of the player's inability to elevate teammates via great chemistry... Again, massive deficits in team assists support my claim of inferior brand of ball for Ant, Lebron and Luka.. Heck, the common thread in all of Lebron's playoff losses for the last 10 years is massive deficits in team assists

How is a transition downhill bucket or pull-up three a “higher set-up time”?

[3ba11]

How is a transition downhill bucket or pull-up three a “higher set-up time”?

the "down-hill" skillset is extremely predictable - it lacks diversity or prevents offensive sophistication, and it's also run in the halfcourt, which does require set-up time.. we're talking about high screen rolls or iso's where Ant has the ball 25 feet from the hoop - he's just holding or dribbling the ball before he goes downhill.

it's a narrow brand of ball that gets destroyed - Ant and SGA are finding that out - neither will win another game in these playoffs.. This is similar to Lebron losing the last 3 games to lose nearly every series that he lost - teams figure out his weak brand and can't lose thereafter...

Meanwhile, in contrast to Ant and SGA, Luka is currently finding success by not dominating the ball as much because he's hurt or something

[GimmeThat]

the "down-hill" skillset is extremely predictable - it lacks diversity or prevents offensive sophistication, and it's also run in the halfcourt, which does require set-up time.. we're talking about high screen rolls or iso's where Ant has the ball 25 feet from the hoop - he's just holding or dribbling the ball before he goes downhill.

it's a narrow brand of ball that gets destroyed - Ant and SGA are finding that out - neither will win another game in these playoffs.. This is similar to Lebron losing the last 3 games to lose nearly every series that he lost - teams figure out his weak brand and can't lose thereafter...

Meanwhile, in contrast to Ant and SGA, Luka is currently finding success by not dominating the ball as much because he's hurt or something

after all those time not cleaning up after yourself and disinfect yourself with some bleach, we see you be cooking cyanide

[Duffy Pratt]

the "down-hill" skillset is extremely predictable - it lacks diversity or prevents offensive sophistication, and it's also run in the halfcourt, which does require set-up time.. we're talking about high screen rolls or iso's where Ant has the ball 25 feet from the hoop - he's just holding or dribbling the ball before he goes downhill.

it's a narrow brand of ball that gets destroyed - Ant and SGA are finding that out - neither will win another game in these playoffs.. This is similar to Lebron losing the last 3 games to lose nearly every series that he lost - teams figure out his weak brand and can't lose thereafter...

Meanwhile, in contrast to Ant and SGA, Luka is currently finding success by not dominating the ball as much because he's hurt or something

Lots of words that does nothing to answer my question. You were complaining about too much set up time, and said that that was a result of Ant going downhill in transition. So again, how does TRANSITION downhill driving create high set-up time? You contradict yourself and then just spew the same crap.

[GimmeThat]

You contradict yourself and then just spew the same crap.

they're constantly cutting their d*cks off