More difficult to win w/ Wade/Bosh (24 all-star, 9 All-NBA) or Murray/Porter (0 & 0)

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[GimmeThat]

if savings account makes you gain weight, where did all the sh*t go.

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05' HUGHES....... 21.6 PER.. 4.3 BPM.. 0.157 WS/48.. 3.7 VORP... 22/6/5.. 1st Team All-D
90' PIPPEN......... 16.3 PER.. 1.8 BPM.. 0.087 WS/48.. 3.0 VORP... 16/6/5.. No All-D

^^^ If Jordan already had the East all-star center on his team and then received a HOF coach and a player that was performing better than 1990 Pippen on both sides of the ball, he would obviously 3-peat with all that, yet Lebron had all this before entering his first playoffs in 06'!!!

Despite all this help, Lebron only won 45 games in Year 5 (2008) before adding the all-star spacer that his stiff-arm needs to have a 60-win team and MVP in 2009 - this is the same as 2013 - he needed an all-star spacer to win 60 and MVP..

By 2010, Lebron had a 3rd option that was a better scorer than Pippen (Jamison), so he had more scoring options while having better defenses than the 1st three-peat Bulls.. Jamison is a rare 20k career scorer that outplayed Lebron in the 07' 1st Round (32/10 on 55%), so it's pretty nice to have him as 3rd option, along with better defenses, spacing and rim protection than the 1st three-peat Bulls.

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09' Mo Williams..... 17.2 PER.. 2.3 BPM.. 3.1 VORP.. 0.165 WS/48.. 18/3/4 on 59% ts.... #3 team defense
90' Pippen............. 16.3 PER.. 1.8 BPM.. 3.0 VORP.. 0.087 WS/48.. 17/7/5 on 53% ts.. #19 team defense


^^^ So it's a statistical fact that Lebron had more help on both sides of the ball, yet Jordan still beat him to titles by winning the following year in 91', while Lebron kept losing as the favorite despite adding Jamison/Shaq to a 66-win league favorite or forming super-teams.

Lebron had 3 years to develop a veteran high seed before entering his first playoffs, while Jordan was forced into the playoffs in Year 1 with a low seed.. Not surprisingly, the first time Lebron had low seeds in 21' and 24', he lost in the 1st round (even though he had HOF teammates in their prime instead of a rookie team like Jordan).

Ultimately, Lebron was following an organic path and had a league favorite and organic juggernaut by Year 7 just like Curry, Jokic and MJ - these organic teams have "normal" casts of 1 franchise player, so they win by developing chemistry.. .Lebron simply gave up on the chemistry learning curve and opted for talent-based winning - he obtained better casts than the 1 franchise player model by putting 3 franchise players on 1 team (super-team)... That's when he started to get disrespect from everyone - people understand that Lebron had a monopoly on colluding and hand-picking preseason favorites from 11-16', and Durant's only mistake was waiting 6 years to respond.

[SATAN]

The thought of a 45 year old man doing this lame shit for 15+ years is sad. What a waste of oxygen.

[3ba11]

The thought of a 45 year old man doing this lame shit for 15+ years is sad. What a waste of oxygen.

It's a thread about Jokic vs Lebron, although someone did bring up Jordan for some reason (the 1-9 post above)

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