Percentage of team points scored at 38 yrs old - 24.7% for MJ vs. 21.8% for Lebron

[3ba11]

both average 5 APG except Jordan averaged far less turnovers, while also being a better defender

So MJ was better at 38 than Lebron due to higher burden (percentage of team pts), equal assists, lower turnovers, better defense and near-equal scoring despite playing in a league that allowed 15-20 less ppg

His jumpshooting style also yielded a superior brand of ball that allowed a .500 record (when he played) with far less help than Lebron currently has - Lebron might have the best roster in the league, while Jordan had arguably the worst.

but carry on

[k0kakw0rld]

At 38 MJ played 13 years of NBA Basketball. At 38 LBJ played 21 years of NBA Basketball.

[3ba11]

At 38 MJ played 13 years of NBA Basketball. At 38 LBJ played 21 years of NBA Basketball.

At 38, Jordan had smoked 11,389 cigars and drank 8,081 alcohol beverages and stayed out late about 10,456 times.. He also never slept.

Otoh, Lebron has smoked 5 cigars in his life and his wine drinking doesn't count because 1 glass is good for you.. Lebron also never stays out late and sleeps 10 hours a night.. He's a coddled, goody-too-shoes that has never even been in a fist fight

He's also roided to the gills - he pays a biochemist to find ways to circumvent the rules - he didn't cover it up for his wife and trainer though as they were caught

[Hey Yo]

At 38 MJ played 13 years of NBA Basketball. At 38 LBJ played 21 years of NBA Basketball.

eot

too easy

[3ba11]

too easy

is it though? because it sounds like he conceded that 38-year old MJ was better based on the OP stats and simply made an excuse for it regarding Lebron playing 21 seasons

[Full Court]

And Wizards Jordan played in an era of FAR tougher defense.

[Full Court]

Jordan also played all 82 games in the '02-'03 season.

Lebron this year couldn't even make it past 10 games without having to sit out.

[StrongLurk]

Lebron this year is counted as "39" years old. He already played a bunch of regular season games/playoff games last year at "38".

Dude is one month away from 39 and will mostly be 39 this year.

I'm a big MJ fan but OP is so damn embarrassing.

Lebron's basic and advanced stats at 38 are all superior to MJ's at 38...with that being said, MJ is still the GOAT and played in a harder defensive era in his late 30's.

[Im Still Ballin]

LeBron is currently recording the highest TS% of his career. However, league-wide TS% is obviously up several points since 2002-03. About 5 I thnk.

[3ba11]

Lebron this year is counted as "39" years old. He already played a bunch of regular season games/playoff games last year at "38".

Dude is one month away from 39 and will mostly be 39 this year.

I'm a big MJ fan but OP is so damn embarrassing.

Lebron's basic and advanced stats at 38 are all superior to MJ's at 38...with that being said, MJ is still the GOAT and played in a harder defensive era in his late 30's.

They're literally the same age - Jordan turned 39 in February and Lebron in December. So you're wrong I'm right.. And Jordans advanced stats at 38 matched Bron's and only fell off once he turned 39 and got hurt (pretty much on his 39th birthday)

[StrongLurk]

They're literally the same age - Jordan turned 39 in February and Lebron in December. So you're wrong I'm right.. And Jordans advanced stats at 38 matched Bron's and only fell off once he turned 39 and got hurt (pretty much on his 39th birthday)

Go ahead and post ALL of the box score/advanced stats for Lebron and Jordan for ALL the games they played at 38 years old.

You need to provide sources.

[3ba11]

Go ahead and post ALL of the box score/advanced stats for Lebron and Jordan for ALL the games they played at 38 years old.

You need to provide sources.

Usage

02' Jordan....... 36% (25% of team pts)
23' Lebron....... 30% (22% of team pts)

So Lebron has better efficiency and advanced stats due to a much lower burden and doesn't face the same defensive attention because AD is a top 75 player and frequently leads the team

Accordingly, the thread title is about how 38-year Jordan had a much higher burden than 38-year Lebron, who has completely stacked his team with the best roster in the league, so he has small burden and low defensive attention compared to Mike.. This is the case for Lebron's entire career - he always had far greater scoring help for his entire career, and therefore never carried the burden that Jordan did.

Ultimately, Jordan took on the challenge of trying to carry a bad team to the playoffs and had the 4 seed before he got hurt, while Lebron stacked his team and would never take on such a challenge at 38 or at any point after his first couple years in the league.. That's the only time he was willing to carry a weak team, whereas Mike was willing to do it at 38 and 40

[sdot_thadon]

both average 5 APG

Mj 5.2
Lbj 6.8

except Jordan averaged far less turnovers,

Mj 2.7
Lbj 3.2

So MJ was better at 38 than Lebron due to higher burden (percentage of team pts), equal assists,

Mj 5.2
Lbj 6.8

and near-equal scoring

Mj 22.9
Lbj 28.9

Weird Lebron being plus 1.6 in assists to you means they both average an equal 5 a game, yet Mj averaging .5 fewer turnovers a game is "far less", and in the same breath Lebron putting up 6 more points a game is "near equal scoring". Some weird math you got there fella.

Contradictory quotes galore, let's compare them to the truth when it comes to the age 38 season. (2001-2002 for Mike, 2022-2023 for Lebron all stats courtesy of basketball-reference.com)

----------MJ-----LBJ
Mpg---34.9 --35.5
Fg%---.416 --.500
3pt%--.189-- .321
Ft%----.790---.768
Rpg----5.7-----8.3
Apg----5.2-----6.8
Spg----1.4-----0.9
Bpg----0.4-----0.6
Tov----2.7-----3.2
Ppg---22.9---28.9

For shits and giggles
Per----20.7---23.9
Ts%--.468---.583
Usg---36.0!!--33.3
Ws----3.3------5.6
And more winshares in less games played. Ouch.

His jumpshooting style also yielded a superior brand of ball that allowed a .500 record (when he played) with far less help than Lebron currently has - Lebron might have the best roster in the league, while Jordan had arguably the worst.

but carry on

I swear you just come here to make Mike look bad, worst stan ever. Mj was under .500 and missed the playoffs in THE worst, east ever. But carry on.

[SouBeachTalents]

Tough night for OP

[ImKobe]

Tough night for OP

lol putting up numbers vs a bunch of rookies is no achievement. League used to be full of grown ass men, now you got kids who don't know a thing about playing defense and they're on tanking teams & are expected to lose on purpose to tank for lottery picks. Sad.