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Worthy claims that the supporting cast made MJ better, but the stats say otherwise
Jordan's numbers declined during his tenure with Pippen, Grant and BJ, while their stats grew by leaps and bounds alongside him - they were babies in 1988 that he cradled, so it's remarkable that he doesn't get credit for raising babies, while Magic gets credit for making a 6-time MVP better (kareem), or making a ready-made stud better (worthy)..
No one says that those guys made Magic better - it's always how he made them better even though they were already studs and not babies that needed tons of improvement like Pippen or Grant in 88'.. The ultimate reality is that expert jumpshooters like Curry or MJ have vast records of teammate development and good fits, while high-scoring ball-dominators like Luka and Lebron impose spot-up roles, and therefore have weaker records of teammate development or good fits.
So when Worthy says that MJ's teammates made him better, that's a function of him watching mainstream hoops coverage and picking up the anti-Jordan narratives that were developed for Lebron's fake goat case.
Ultimately, it's silly that the media creates fake narratives for Lebron because future generations are technologically superior and have superior capacity to see through unsubstantiated claims. This is already part of the reason that MJ's record has stood the test of time thus far and even picks up steam
Last edited by 3ba11; 10-14-2023 at 05:25 PM.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Worthy claims that the supporting cast made MJ better, but the stats say otherwis
supporting cast certainly made Worthy look good
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Re: Worthy claims that the supporting cast made MJ better, but the stats say otherwis
Jordan's numbers declined because he started playing better team ball - and the Bulls started winning a lot more. It's called high IQ basketball.
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The Bearded Menace
Re: Worthy claims that the supporting cast made MJ better, but the stats say otherwis
1994 bulls won 55 games and almost made the ecf, both without their beloved first option bt.
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NBA Legend
Re: Worthy claims that the supporting cast made MJ better, but the stats say otherwis
I have Wemby over MJ. MJ didn’t come into the league as a complete package like Wemby
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Worthy claims that the supporting cast made MJ better, but the stats say otherwis
Originally Posted by AirBonner
I have Wemby over MJ. MJ didn’t come into the league as a complete package like Wemby
get back to me when he puts up 28 pts on 52%/85% 7rbd 6 ass 2.4 stls this season
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truth serum
Re: Worthy claims that the supporting cast made MJ better, but the stats say otherwis
Umm there's a such thing as a symbiotic relationship. I think Mj and his teammates benefited each other as orchestrated by their hall of fame brain.
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Re: Worthy claims that the supporting cast made MJ better, but the stats say otherwis
Originally Posted by Full Court
Jordan's numbers declined because he started playing better team ball - and the Bulls started winning a lot more. It's called high IQ basketball.
Jordan's stats didn't decline - see the 91-93' Playoffs and Finals - he averaged 35-41 ppg on most of those runs, so his stats went up.. Meanwhile his 96' and 98' runs were won with the only 54 ppg supporting casts since 1954, while Pippen had the worst efficiency ever for a playoff run of 15 games and 35 MPG on both runs.
so all of jordan's runs were complete carry-jobs..
and just because jordan learned greater strategy from Phil, this means Phil made him smarter not Grant or Pippen, who were carried and cradled as babies.. So worthy is wrong - phil made Jordan understand the game better and be a more effective winner, while Grant and Pippen were literally carried in every regular season and playoffs as the stats showed.. Jordan simply needed veteran producers in 88' and 89' but was stuck with a lottery roster of rookies and low producers.
And Jordan was a winning team player from his days at North Carolina - he was always a low turnover, high efficiency and low ball-domination off-guard that a great strategy could be built around as his North Carolina days already showed.. Most stars have a long enough career so that all the best minds get a crack at them.. Jordan was simply the first guy that won and kept winning with the first all-star that he received, while everyone else in history needed many all-star teammates.
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Re: Worthy claims that the supporting cast made MJ better, but the stats say otherwis
MJ didn't shoot threes and played before 3-point era. Sorry but the goat can't be from Jurassic Park era of basketball.
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The Bearded Menace
Re: Worthy claims that the supporting cast made MJ better, but the stats say otherwis
Originally Posted by JohnMax
MJ didn't shoot threes and played before 3-point era. Sorry but the goat can't be from Jurassic Park era of basketball.
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The Bearded Menace
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The Bearded Menace
Re: Worthy claims that the supporting cast made MJ better, but the stats say otherwis
Originally Posted by AirBonner
I have Wemby over MJ. MJ didn’t come into the league as a complete package like Wemby
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Re: Worthy claims that the supporting cast made MJ better, but the stats say otherwis
Originally Posted by sdot_thadon
Umm there's a such thing as a symbiotic relationship. I think Mj and his teammates benefited each other as orchestrated by their hall of fame brain.
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