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    Default Re: Lebron's 1-star teams atop East in 09/10 and 1-star teams won in 01/02/03/07/09/1

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ba11 View Post
    It's well-documented that Lebron and Wade didn't fit together because both need shooters, so neither couldn't provide the other with what they needed

    So Lebron hurt Wade's game (bad fit).. Lebron's lack of elite jumpshooting skill makes him a bad fit for any spotty-shooting ball-dominator like Westbrook, Wade, Hughes or Ingram - all were destroyed by Lebron's big man ball-dominance (which makes HOF's stand in the corner).

    it's also well-documented that teams exploited the bad fit with Lebron and Wade - SB Nation wrote a legendary article about how the Spurs exploited the bad fit.

    Btw, Lebron had a zero plus-minus and negative net rating for the 13' Finals, so the Heat didn't win with him on the floor.. RAY ALLEN infact led the team in those categories
    That was because of wade. The numbers were posted by me. If it was just lebron no wade, the heat put up a 131 ortg, completely dominant. Allen also was often the one who played when wade was on the bench why he has a positive net rtg. It’s not mostly because of fit issues, wade was elite in 2011 and great in 2012. His knees and age were the problem

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    Default Re: Lebron's 1-star teams atop East in 09/10 and 1-star teams won in 01/02/03/07/09/1

    Quote Originally Posted by NBAGOAT View Post
    That was because of wade. The numbers were posted by me. If it was just lebron no wade, the heat put up a 131 ortg, completely dominant. Allen also was often the one who played when wade was on the bench why he has a positive net rtg. It’s not mostly because of fit issues, wade was elite in 2011 and great in 2012. His knees and age were the problem

    Wade was a star in the 16' Playoffs and achieved peak Pippen stats from 2013-2016 (21/5/5 and 21 PER), so Wade was fine - fans like you complained when he was reduced to Pippen-level, so now you understand why I hated Pippen - he was like 13-16' Wade

    Wade wasn't the 26 PER guy that he was in 2012 and before but he was still Pippen-caliber - Pippen-caliber simply sucks and now you know because that's where Wade was at from 13-16'.

    Furthermore, Lebron had a zero plus-minus and negative net rating for the 13' Finals, so the Heat didn't win with him on the floor.. RAY ALLEN infact led the team in those categories

    Lebron averaged 16 on 39% thru 3 games while teammates staved off an 0-3 deficit.. His 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 games and needed Ray to force Game 7.. He averaged 25 on 45% overall (not dominant), while Wade was a near-equal scoring partner - Wade's near-equal scoring presence prevented Lebron from having to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals), which Lebron can't do

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    Default Re: Lebron's 1-star teams atop East in 09/10 and 1-star teams won in 01/02/03/07/09/1

    Quote Originally Posted by Shooter View Post
    He had a good run but now it's just getting dumb.

    RIP 3nutball
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    Default Re: Lebron's 1-star teams atop East in 09/10 and 1-star teams won in 01/02/03/07/09/1

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    Since 1-star teams were enough to be atop the East or win the East in 01/02/03/07/09/10/15/20, Lebron's super-teams were massive overkill and akin to cheating

    Imagine if Booker teamed up with Joker and Ja Morant - that would ruin the West and steal organic rings from Curry just like Lebron's collusions stole organic rings from 16' Curry, 12' Durant and 13' Duncan.. That's what collusions do - they ruin the competitiveness of a conference and steal organic rings from true competitors. This distorts the media awards and all-time rankings... i.e. how high would KD rank if he won organically with Westbrook in 12'

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