Lowest peak capability in playoffs of any sidekick + biggest gap below 1st option =

[3ba11]

Why did he outscore other teams 2nd option in finals almost every time? He's the best defender ever and bulls best playmaker, so him outscoring other teams 2nd options seems like overkill

Sounds like Jordan has absurd help and luck

The Jazz needed their sidekick to be a goat playmaker and jordan-level scoring in the clutch:

97' PLAYOFFS CLUTCH SCORING (last 5 within 5)




97' FINALS CLUTCH SCORING (last 5 within 5)

Pippen can't do that..
Pippen was a scrub and outscored by guys like Longley, Ostertag or Hornacek in the clutch


Drivers of winning for sidekicks include efficiency, clutch and defensive attention (not being a system or transition player - actually being in the scouting report)

So while Pippen outscored Majerle and Dumas by a couple points in the 93' Finals, he shot 45% true shooting compared to their 60 .. Pippen had a poor man's "Pandemic P" performance, which forced MJ to average 41/9/6 (and Majerle had higher gamescore)..

And it wasn't just the 93' Finals - those playoffs showed Pippen getting the lowest-ever advanced stats of any winning sidekick (PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48, TS).

In addition to his garbage 93' season and playoffs, he wet the bed in the 96-98' Playoffs with additional "Pandemic P" performance - the poor man's variety (17 on 41% for entire 96-98' Playoffs.or Finals).. Stockton, Kemp, and Payton matched or exceeded his Finals gamescore and were actual offensive threats (aka they had higher peak capability, while Pippen had low peak that didn't require game-planning)..

[Phoenix]

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Yes, we all do that at your posts.

[Shooter]

He was the best defender of all time, the best playmaker on the Bulls, and he outscored the opponents 2nd option in 5 of 6 finals.


Best 'sidekick' ever and arguably top 10 all time.

STOP.

DROP.

SHUTTEM DOWN



OPEN UP SHOP

[AirBonner]

2016-2017 Celtics Isaiah Thomas averaged 29ppg while the next best player Avery Bradley averaged 16ppg. Isaiah Thomas scored 13ppg more than his 2nd option.

Yikes even MJ couldn’t field a 50 win team without his Pippen. Thomas did the equivalent

[AussieSteve]

Not sure about the lowest, but this guy on the Bulls in the 90s had three straight years of 1st team All NBA and 1st team All D, with 2x top 5 MVP finishes.

Thats gotta rank among the highest peaks for a sidekick.

[3ba11]

Not sure about the lowest, but this guy on the Bulls in the 90s had three straight years of 1st team All NBA and 1st team All D, with 2x top 5 MVP finishes.

Thats gotta rank among the highest peaks for a sidekick.

Draymond was DPOY but no one said that was a goat sidekick peak

Defensive awards mean nothing when we're talking peaks and they only enter the conversation to support someone's weak offense, which is the issue with Pippen - he was a taller Westbrick with half the production across the board (Westbrook was 32/10/10 and Pippen is closer to 17/5/5)

And media awards aren't a "peak"... PLAYOFF PERFORMANCE is what measures peak, and Pippen never played at the typical elite 1st option level that everyone likes to see, while every other 1st option did.. Every other 1st option was infact a 1b with numerous dominant series that led their team, while Pippen was always a secondary producer and transition/hustle player - he was NEVER a go-to player and simply lived off dynasty system chemistry (literally NOTHING without the triangle).. He's the only sidekick that never achieved elite ppg, rpg or apg in any series.

[NBAGOAT]

Draymond was DPOY but no one said that was a goat sidekick peak

Defensive awards mean nothing when we're talking peaks and they only enter the conversation to support someone's weak offense, which is the issue with Pippen - he was a taller Westbrick with half the production across the board (Westbrook was 32/10/10 and Pippen is closer to 17/5/5)

And media awards aren't a "peak"... PLAYOFF PERFORMANCE is what measures peak, and Pippen never played at the typical elite 1st option level that everyone likes to see, while every other 1st option did.. Every other 1st option was infact a 1b with numerous dominant series that led their team, while Pippen was always a secondary producer and transition/hustle player - he was NEVER a go-to player and simply lived off dynasty system chemistry (literally NOTHING without the triangle).. He's the only sidekick that never achieved elite ppg, rpg or apg in any series.

if people dont think dray was elite in 2016 or had an all time year for a sidekick, then they're underrating him. He's a clear top 10 player that year, maybe top 10 a few others too(17,15). He also coasts during the regular season so his impact shines in the playoffs. Ben Taylor said from 15-19, gs' playoff offense wasnt that remarkable, it was their playoff defense that was historically great. so much of that credit goes to draymond.

[3ba11]

if people dont think dray was elite in 2016 or had an all time year for a sidekick, then they're underrating him. He's a clear top 10 player that year, maybe top 10 a few others too(17,15). He also coasts during the regular season so his impact shines in the playoffs. Ben Taylor said from 15-19, gs' playoff offense wasnt that remarkable, it was their playoff defense that was historically great. so much of that credit goes to draymond.

2nd scoring options are supposed to SCORE efficiently and attract defensive attention..

Unfortunately, Pippen was a system player and transition/hustle guy that wasn't on the scouting report, so Jordan faced maximum defensive attention (carried scoring load) in every series (unique to Jordan)..

[NBAGOAT]

2nd scoring options are supposed to SCORE efficiently and attract defensive attention..

Unfortunately, Pippen was a system player and transition/hustle guy that wasn't on the scouting report, so Jordan faced maximum defensive attention (carried scoring load) in every series (unique to Jordan)..

so i'm guessing if someone's 2nd option was actively hurting their offense and they won a title it would be GOAT lvl because even pippen never hurt the Bulls offfense