Kobe Bryant is only 1 game winning shot away from matching Michael Jordan

[griffmoney1984]

So is Kobe better than MJ?

Career wise? no

skill wise? yes


hes pretty much equal to jordan in everything except defense. and even then Kobe is only slightly behind. ( being a "going on" 6 time 1st team all nba defensive award winner )

but the thing that makes kobes skill set superior is his usage of his off hand and the ability to play the point, and shoot from downtown

Kobe might not ( and probably wont ) ever reach jordans achivements.

but who cares about team achivements, and media voted awards anyway.

as far as scoring averages. each team is different in what it needs from a player. if kobe wanted he could average 40 a game. but his team wouldnt be as good as they are right now. Kobe is the most important decoy in the nba. he draws so much attention that it would be stupid for kobe to force it. the lakers are a pass 1st unselfish team that wins with great ball movement. Lebron didnt take kobes scoring title. kobe let him have it for the betterment of his team

[KokeAyne]

Career wise? no

skill wise? yes


hes pretty much equal to jordan in everything except defense. and even then Kobe is only slightly behind. ( being a "going on" 6 time 1st team all nba defensive award winner )

but the thing that makes kobes skill set superior is his usage of his off hand and the ability to play the point, and shoot from downtown

Kobe might not ( and probably wont ) ever reach jordans achivements.

but who cares about team achivements, and media voted awards anyway.

as far as scoring averages. each team is different in what it needs from a player. if kobe wanted he could average 40 a game. but his team wouldnt be as good as they are right now. Kobe is the most important decoy in the nba. he draws so much attention that it would be stupid for kobe to force it. the lakers are a pass 1st unselfish team that wins with great ball movement. Lebron didnt take kobes scoring title. kobe let him have it for the betterment of his team

Everybody besides Kobe fans?

[Vendetta]

How many times have Michael's teams blown out the competition to the point of no game winner being necessary?

How many times have Kobe's teams blown out the competition to the point of no game winner being necessary?

How many game winning shots has Michael missed?

How many game winning shots has Kobe missed?

Until you answer all of these questions, this thread is meaningless. Not only that, but Kobe throws games so he can attempt game winning shots. Michael only cared about beating the hell out of people.

[ryantheporchkid]

You're missing some game winners, I am sure. Kobe is barely on the Jerry West career level right now. No one can make the Kobe/MJ comparison because there is no handchecking anymore. Bowen would be an above average defender in the late 80s early 90s. It really isn't possible to compare.

[abdubaba]

You're missing some game winners, I am sure. Kobe is barely on the Jerry West career level right now. No one can make the Kobe/MJ comparison because there is no handchecking anymore. Bowen would be an above average defender in the late 80s early 90s. It really isn't possible to compare.

Teams between 1980 and 2000 averaged 2.7 more ppg than teams from 2001 to 2008

Defence is actually better nowadays

so STFU

[griffmoney1984]

How many times have Michael's teams blown out the competition to the point of no game winner being necessary?

How many times have Kobe's teams blown out the competition to the point of no game winner being necessary?

How many game winning shots has Michael missed?

How many game winning shots has Kobe missed?

Until you answer all of these questions, this thread is meaningless. Not only that, but Kobe throws games so he can attempt game winning shots. Michael only cared about beating the hell out of people.

- how many times has Kobes teams blown out the competition? ( kobe sat over 20 forth quarters just this season )

if anything. Kobes played on a higher percentage of title contending teams in his career.

- Probably as many as Jordans missed

- why are you so mad? just accept the fact that it was inevitable for Kobe to eventualy reach this mile stone.

[Kobe24]

Oh, I remember this guy from ESPN boards. Think of PleezeBelieve/all his other screenames.... but worse. Not kidding.

[Vendetta]

- how many times has Kobes teams blown out the competition? ( kobe sat over 20 forth quarters just this season )

if anything. Kobes played on a higher percentage of title contending teams in his career.

- Probably as many as Jordans missed

- why are you so mad? just accept the fact that it was inevitable for Kobe to eventualy reach this mile stone.

When did I say I was mad or even act it?

*shrugs*

It doesn't matter if Kobe hits another 10 game winners for the duration of his career... if I need a bucket and I have to choose between the two, I'm taking Mike every single time.

[mjbulls23]

hes pretty much equal to jordan in everything except defense.

The thing with Kobe's D is that even though he is one of the best when he turns it up, he lets up on his defense when he goes on a high scoring spree. A young MJ didn't let up his D even while scoring 50

Also Kobe is not as consistent, is not as good as MJ in the post, doesn't have his footwork, is not as individually dominant as MJ was in any given game, and hes nowhere near the playoff performer that Jordan was, especially in the clutch..

Teams between 1980 and 2000 averaged 2.7 more ppg than teams from 2001 to 2008

Defence is actually better nowadays

so STFU

MJ, Magic, Bird, Barkley, etc, played in an era where you actually were allowed to play defense. And Jordan played when despite getting favored by the refs he couldn't get the calls Wade, AI, Bron, and Kobe do. The rules have changed in their favors. The NBA today allows a zone but teams don't really use it well and teams in the 80s used it too they just got away with it(unless they were playing Pat Riley who loved to point it out to refs when his own team wasn't using one).

You cant even handcheck a guy anymore. Much less all the **** Rodman, Moncrief, Jones, Gerald Wilkins, Starks, Dumars, nance, DJ, and such did to MJ. And the athletic difference between the best modern outside defenders and MJs isnt big. The best man to man defender now is probably Bruce Bowen who is hardly an athletic freak. Hes just determined, with good fundamentals, and allowed to play alllllllmost like 90s defenders could. So there is prince. There was Bobby Jones, Gerald Wilklins, Spider Smith(with his 7'6'' wingspan) and Larry Nance who guarded everyone from 2-5. Nance athletically may have no current better of his build. Closest would be Josh Smith. Nance wasl ike 6'10'' both fast and quick(difference) with hops like few ive ever seen.

There are tough bigmen like Ben Wallace now. No current center is either as athletic or skilled on D as Hakeem and Drob were. Or Ewing for that matter if you use pre injury Ewing. Which bigmen now are better disrupting an offense than Zo was? Or Mutombo?

How many pointguards now are better defenders than Gary Payton was? Or Alvin Robertson? Or Derek Harper? How many swingmen are better defenders than Pippen, Jordan, Rodman(who was a swingman type early and the best 3/4 defender later), Cooper Moncrief, and so on? How many 4s are better defenders than Oakley, Williams, and Mccray? I can think of 2. And Jordan played both.

Is this all D team:

Ben
Bowen
AK
Artest
Kidd
Kobe(they had 6 last year with a tie)

really better than this one from 10 years ago?

Payton
Jordan
Pippen
Rodman
Drob



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[KokeAyne]

No matter what anybody says, no matter what stats they bring up, no matter what comparisons they make - people will never remember Kobe the way they remember MJ.

Kobe fans can cry themselves to sleep every night repeating "Kobe is better than MJ" but in 10, 20, 30 years MJ will still be remembered as the greatest player to play the game.

[2LeTTeRS KD]

Career wise? no

skill wise? yes


hes pretty much equal to jordan in everything except defense. and even then Kobe is only slightly behind. ( being a "going on" 6 time 1st team all nba defensive award winner )

but the thing that makes kobes skill set superior is his usage of his off hand and the ability to play the point, and shoot from downtown

Kobe might not ( and probably wont ) ever reach jordans achivements.

but who cares about team achivements, and media voted awards anyway.

as far as scoring averages. each team is different in what it needs from a player. if kobe wanted he could average 40 a game. but his team wouldnt be as good as they are right now. Kobe is the most important decoy in the nba. he draws so much attention that it would be stupid for kobe to force it. the lakers are a pass 1st unselfish team that wins with great ball movement. Lebron didnt take kobes scoring title. kobe let him have it for the betterment of his team

Sorry to take the bait, but I can't help it. What you said isn't true, MJ played point for a whole season and had about 11 straight triple doubles in a row, while Kobe has never played point for an extended period. How does that equal Kobe having superior ability to play point guard? As far as individual skillset, MJ also had superior athleticism (he was quicker, more explosive and had much bigger hands than Kobe) and a better basketball IQ. All Kobe really has on Mike is more range on his J.

[abdubaba]

[QUOTE=mjbulls23]The thing with Kobe's D is that even though he is one of the best when he turns it up, he lets up on his defense when he goes on a high scoring spree. A young MJ didn't let up his D even while scoring 50

Also Kobe is not as consistent, is not as good as MJ in the post, doesn't have his footwork, is not as individually dominant as MJ was in any given game, and hes nowhere near the playoff performer that Jordan was, especially in the clutch..






MJ, Magic, Bird, Barkley, etc, played in an era where you actually were allowed to play defense. And Jordan played when despite getting favored by the refs he couldn't get the calls Wade, AI, Bron, and Kobe do. The rules have changed in their favors. The NBA today allows a zone but teams don't really use it well and teams in the 80s used it too they just got away with it(unless they were playing Pat Riley who loved to point it out to refs when his own team wasn't using one).

You cant even handcheck a guy anymore. Much less all the **** Rodman, Moncrief, Jones, Gerald Wilkins, Starks, Dumars, nance, DJ, and such did to MJ. And the athletic difference between the best modern outside defenders and MJs isnt big. The best man to man defender now is probably Bruce Bowen who is hardly an athletic freak. Hes just determined, with good fundamentals, and allowed to play alllllllmost like 90s defenders could. So there is prince. There was Bobby Jones, Gerald Wilklins, Spider Smith(with his 7'6'' wingspan) and Larry Nance who guarded everyone from 2-5. Nance athletically may have no current better of his build. Closest would be Josh Smith. Nance wasl ike 6'10'' both fast and quick(difference) with hops like few ive ever seen.

There are tough bigmen like Ben Wallace now. No current center is either as athletic or skilled on D as Hakeem and Drob were. Or Ewing for that matter if you use pre injury Ewing. Which bigmen now are better disrupting an offense than Zo was? Or Mutombo?

How many pointguards now are better defenders than Gary Payton was? Or Alvin Robertson? Or Derek Harper? How many swingmen are better defenders than Pippen, Jordan, Rodman(who was a swingman type early and the best 3/4 defender later), Cooper Moncrief, and so on? How many 4s are better defenders than Oakley, Williams, and Mccray? I can think of 2. And Jordan played both.

Is this all D team:

Ben
Bowen
AK
Artest
Kidd
Kobe(they had 6 last year with a tie)

really better than this one from 10 years ago?

Payton
Jordan
Pippen
Rodman
Drob



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[ryantheporchkid]

I was just looking up that Kblaze post.

[2LeTTeRS KD]

Teams between 1980 and 2000 averaged 2.7 more ppg than teams from 2001 to 2008

Defence is actually better nowadays

so STFU

You're judging defense by points scored? Wow. Thats very dumb, as well as misleading. You can't judge D on how many points are scored in a game, try comparing field goal percentages. Pace is just as important in the number of points scored in a game as quality of defense, percentage is not affected by it therefore making it a much better indicator.

[mjbulls23]

DUDE. teams in hjordans era scored more points. what is your point

the defense is not better. If you go purely by stats then I'll say LeBron is a better scorer than Kobe since he averaged more pts this season