Common misperception of casual fan and media - the conflation of "IQ" with "vision"

[3ba11]

How can a guy have all-time "IQ" but have a long history of bad chemistry, bad fits and turning guys into spot-up shooter, which never developed a single young player in 2 decades??? (zero young players grew from low producer to meaningful producer on his watch)

The reason that everyone thinks Lebron has all-time "IQ" is that everyone conflates IQ with vision, even though they aren't the same - vision is being able to find the open man or set up a teammate, while IQ is understanding how to execute the best brand of ball, fits, chemistry and how to develop young players.

And the memory stuff is BS because every basketball player is supposed to learn the opponents' plays and coaches have players practice the opponents' plays in practice - some players are better than others at remembering their plays but this was something I was really good at.. Peers simply talk about Lebron's memory because some of the stuff on all these podcasts is bullshit -:this is one of those things - not everything these guys talk about is real.

The proof is in the results - Lebron has zero #1 offenses in 21 years and low ball movement (low assist teams) - the common thread in all of Lebron's playoff losses for the last 10 years is massive deficits in team assists - he gets beat by better brands of ball and chemistry (Spurs, Nuggets, Warriors, Mavs), thus confirming that his own brand and chemistry is consistently inferior.. So Lebron lacks all-time IQ because he doesn't understand what the best brand of ball is (ball movement) and certainly cannot execute it as the biggest ball-dominator and turnover king in the history of the game.

(Lebron decreases everyone's assists and increases their play-finishing, aka assisted rate, so he does infact turn guys into spot-up shooter, hence the weak chemistry and young player development)

[BarberSchool]

LeFraud certainly has great vision, but I would argue he also has good bball IQ.
The pass he made to Davis in the Denver series, with only holding the ball for a few tenths of a second, was one of the best passes in the playoffs so far.

As For ball-dominance ….

…. to be truly “annual-championship” level…. The ball dominant player has to be not only a true 3-level scorer, but be supremely efficient at all levels, their own solo effieciency over their opponents team efficiency, and over their own teammates collective efficiency. Then it WORKS, and nobody is salty.

As well as a great foul shooter, for crunch time game management.

LeFraud finally became an efficient 3pt shooter, only after his other strengths eroded/became less frequent.

[3ba11]

LeFraud certainly has great vision, but I would argue he also has good bball IQ.
The pass he made to Davis in the Denver series, with only holding the ball for a few tenths of a second, was one of the best passes in the playoffs so far.

As For ball-dominance ….

…. to be truly “annual-championship” level…. The ball dominant player has to be not only a true 3-level scorer, but be supremely efficient at all levels, their own solo effieciency over their opponents team efficiency, and over their own teammates collective efficiency. Then it WORKS, and nobody is salty.

As well as a great foul shooter, for crunch time game management.

LeFraud finally became an efficient 3pt shooter, only after his other strengths eroded/became less frequent.

If Lebron had all-time IQ then he would have an all-time offense by now after 21 years.

Yes finding the open man like the pass to Davis is great vision, but not necessarily goat IQ - IQ involves understanding how to achieve the best chemistry, brand of ball and juggernaut offense, which Lebron never did

Otoh, Curry has goat IQ because his brand of ball changed an era - not just the 3-pointers but the ball movement and spacing - he took the 2014 Spurs basketball to another level and always had great fits, chemistry and teammate development - that's goat IQ - Curry understands how to play off teammates and elevate teammates, while Lebron clearly doesn't - Curry's greater chemistry allows the team can win with less, such Wiggins or Poole (clear-cut disappointments that Curry turned into winners, while Lebron craters teammates and never grew any young players).

[RogueBorg]

If Lebron was a smart as everyone says he is, he would quit passing to these scrubs hoping they're going to knock down shots. He already knows they won't hit them but he keeps passing to them. That's the definition of insanity. The only player he should pass to is AD. Otherwise, Lebron should say it f--- it, and take every shot himself.

[ShawkFactory]

Casual fans sure. What about all of the NBA players who have played with him that rave about his IQ?

[3ba11]

Casual fans sure. What about all of the NBA players who have played with him that rave about his IQ?

Again, they need stuff to fill the airtime - not everything said on these podcasts is completely legit and memorizing the opponents' play is COMPLETELY STANDARD - some guys are better at it than others - personally, I was great at it - I still remember some of Northern Arizona and Michigan's plays.

So ultimately, they're conflating vision with IQ too - they're casual fans and most guys don't play the best brand of ball or really know what it is - only Duncan, Curry, MJ and a few guys like that played the best brand of ball.. Ultimately, the only people that understand Lebron like I do is Greg Popovich, Rick Carlisle, Robert Horry, and a few others that have trounced him by exploiting his skillset...

But the historical record also tells the story - history shows that the Spurs, Warriors, Nuggets and Mavs were considered the "smart" teams that played the right way - never Lebron's teams.. The common thread in Lebron's playoff losses FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS is massive deficits in team assists (inferior ball movement)... Look it up... Then there's the teammate development of lack thereof.. And zero #1 offenses... the trend of bad fits and turning teammates into spot-up shooter (reducing teammates' APG and increasing their play-finishing, aka assisted rate)

[sd3035]

I've never heard anyone refer to Lebron as intelligent, that's a bit of a reach lol

[GimmeThat]

OP is an elitist who only makes friends with the rich, then gets bam boozled when the king rains the 2-ball.