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    Default Re: AD > Murray... D-Lo is 1x all-star and nothing for Porter.. Reaves/Gordon is a wa

    That's not saying much. The huge difference is health/consistency. The Lakers are the type of team that at their best can beat the world champs, then be blown away by the Kings. They cant do anything if they can't string good performances together.

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    Default Re: AD > Murray... D-Lo is 1x all-star and nothing for Porter.. Reaves/Gordon is a wa

    Quote Originally Posted by tpols View Post
    If you really look at it fairly Lebron and AD are one of the best statistically producing duos in the NBA and are on par with Jokic and Murray duo.

    And Gordon / KCP / Porter are pretty much on par with Reaves / Rui / D-Lo. There's not a big difference at all between the talent of these two teams.

    All the games they played last year came down to the wire pretty much. LA was actually up double digits in two of the games. They just choked it away.
    you're underrating defense when looking at denver's other guys. EPM denver's trio is 2.4/0.7/1.4. LA's trio is -1.2/0.3/1.6. AD is better than murray tbf to 3ball so unless jokic is that much better than lebron where jokic/murray is 9 wins better than lebron/ad(dont think that's true), the nuggets 9 extra wins came from the role players and/or coaching(ilikely both). AD/Lebron could match jokic/murray if murray doesnt go off thats true.

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    Default Re: AD > Murray... D-Lo is 1x all-star and nothing for Porter.. Reaves/Gordon is a wa

    Quote Originally Posted by tpols View Post
    If you really look at it fairly Lebron and AD are one of the best statistically producing duos in the NBA and are on par with Jokic and Murray duo.

    And Gordon / KCP / Porter are pretty much on par with Reaves / Rui / D-Lo. There's not a big difference at all between the talent of these two teams.

    All the games they played last year came down to the wire pretty much. LA was actually up double digits in two of the games. They just choked it away.

    Pretty sure the Lakers never had a 4th quarter lead in any of the playoff games. I don't think they were ever tied either.

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    Default Re: AD > Murray... D-Lo is 1x all-star and nothing for Porter.. Reaves/Gordon is a wa

    If anything the Lakers have more defensive top end talent. Jokic and Murray are totally average defenders. AD is by far the best defensive talent in the matchup and if LeBron tries he's better Yolk and Murray on D as well. The only good defender Denver really has is AG and hes not even a rim protector. Losing Vanderbilt and Shroeder hurts though.

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    Default Re: AD > Murray... D-Lo is 1x all-star and nothing for Porter.. Reaves/Gordon is a wa

    Quote Originally Posted by tpols View Post
    If anything the Lakers have more defensive top end talent. Jokic and Murray are totally average defenders. AD is by far the best defensive talent in the matchup and if LeBron tries he's better Yolk and Murray on D as well. The only good defender Denver really has is AG and hes not even a rim protector. Losing Vanderbilt and Shroeder hurts though.
    MPJ and KCP are plus defenders. Christian Braun is also a good defensive player off the bench.

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    Default Re: AD > Murray... D-Lo is 1x all-star and nothing for Porter.. Reaves/Gordon is a wa

    AD < Jontay Porter
    DLO < Charles Klask

    But that's OK because LeJesus is there to help those who want to be helped. I just hope the Lakers choose wisely.

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    Default Re: AD > Murray... D-Lo is 1x all-star and nothing for Porter.. Reaves/Gordon is a wa

    Jokic cooked AD last season whenever AD was on him. I expect the Lakers to go with Rui alot more.

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    Default Re: AD > Murray... D-Lo is 1x all-star and nothing for Porter.. Reaves/Gordon is a wa

    Even I don't hate lebron this much

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    Default Re: AD > Murray... D-Lo is 1x all-star and nothing for Porter.. Reaves/Gordon is a wa

    Quote Originally Posted by tpols View Post
    If anything the Lakers have more defensive top end talent. Jokic and Murray are totally average defenders. AD is by far the best defensive talent in the matchup and if LeBron tries he's better Yolk and Murray on D as well. The only good defender Denver really has is AG and hes not even a rim protector. Losing Vanderbilt and Shroeder hurts though.
    KCP is all-defensive team level perimeter defender. Braun is an excellent defender. Watson is capable of being amazing, but also capable of making immature brain farts. Porter is much better this year than in the past. And both Jokic and Murray are significantly underrated on D now. Both are much improved, especially Jokic.

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