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    Default Re: Reggie Miller Only Made Two Consecutive All-Star Appearances

    Quote Originally Posted by dankok8 View Post
    Yea 94 is pretty crazy. In 91, Alvin Robertson, Hersey Hawkins and Ricky Pierce were chosen over him. Alvin in particular was a bad selection. In 92, Michael Adams and Reggie Lewis. 97 was crazy when Terrell Brandon and an old Joe Dumars made it over him. 99 there was no ASG because of lockout. On 01, he lost out to Allan Houston and Latrell Sprewell both of whom had no more impressive seasons statistically and never came close to a playoff run Miller had just had in 2000. None of those names I mentioned ever came close to what Reggie did in the postseason. People knew he raises his game every spring and snubbed him.

    All in all, Reggie should have made every all-star game from 1990-2001 except maybe 1993 when he didn't have a great regular season and the East guards that got ahead of him... MJ, Isiah, Dumars and Mark Price were really good.

    So all in all, he should have 11 all-star selections. Minimum 10 if you dispute one of those years I mentioned.

    As for All-NBA teams, I would have given him a few 2nd Teams over Richmond in 95 and 96 and over Stockton in 97. And probably a couple of more 3rd team selections.
    And what's your theory for why these things occurred? I believe enough in your posting to come up with better than 'he didn't care about accolades'. I think Reggie was more highly regarded towards the backend of the decade and that's where most of his all-nba/star selections occurred. Early 90's, just didn't seem like he was any higher regarded than someone like Reggie Lewis, Dumars, Price, Hawkins when they were voted over him. He just didn't stand out in a way that made it obvious vs those names in those seasons. Basically what this thread is arguing is that the voting media got all of this wrong 30 years ago.

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    Default Re: Reggie Miller Only Made Two Consecutive All-Star Appearances

    Its a waste of time arguing about guys on the same tier because its hard to prove one is clearly better than the other. Guys like Mitch, Reggie, Joe, Ray etc. there is basically no wrong answer if you prefer one over the other because each player had his own strengths.

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    Default Re: Reggie Miller Only Made Two Consecutive All-Star Appearances

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    And what's your theory for why these things occurred? I believe enough in your posting to come up with better than 'he didn't care about accolades'. I think Reggie was more highly regarded towards the backend of the decade and that's where most of his all-nba/star selections occurred. Early 90's, just didn't seem like he was any higher regarded than someone like Reggie Lewis, Dumars, Price, Hawkins when they were voted over him. He just didn't stand out in a way that made it obvious vs those names in those seasons. Basically what this thread is arguing is that the voting media got all of this wrong 30 years ago.
    My theory is a combination of factors:

    1) Accolades like All-Star selections are based on the regular season. Reggie is one of those guys that raised his game in the playoffs by a very large degree.

    2) Using FG% instead of TS% means that most people didn't understand how insanely efficient Reggie was. This is probably the biggest reason he was so underrated. Fan or coach sees 7-15 shooting and says "meh". But when four of those makes are threes and he's also 5-5 from the free throw line, it's actually a ridiculously efficient shooting night ~66.9 %TS.

    3) His box score stats didn't jump out of the page. Particularly his assist numbers were low because he played mostly off-ball.

    4) His teams generally didn't have great regular season records. They had a seasons of 58, 56, 52 and 52 wins and the rest of his prime hovered around .500. Now looking at it, his teams also played at below average pace so they didn't put up high point totals. Thus the Pacers were perceived as a defensive team because back then we didn't have ORtg and DRtg. In reality, the Pacers were very much an offensive team.

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    Default Re: Reggie Miller Only Made Two Consecutive All-Star Appearances

    Wasn't it mostly a fan vote during Reggie's time...and didn't the G spots normally go to big markets.

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    Default Re: Reggie Miller Only Made Two Consecutive All-Star Appearances

    Quote Originally Posted by John8204 View Post
    Wasn't it mostly a fan vote during Reggie's time...and didn't the G spots normally go to big markets.
    Early 90s, Jordan and Thomas
    Late 90s, Jordan and Penny
    94, BJ Armstrong and Kenny Anderson (lol)
    95, Penny and Miller

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    Default Re: Reggie Miller Only Made Two Consecutive All-Star Appearances

    Reggie would probably average 30 ppg today.

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    I get it, Reggie played a lot like a role player, someone like Chris Mullins or Glen Rice.

    People probably didn't understand the value of having Reggie destroy defenses like that. Particularly against MJ, forcing MJ to run around screens or if Pippen, taking Pippen out of his role as help defender.

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    Default Re: Reggie Miller Only Made Two Consecutive All-Star Appearances

    Quote Originally Posted by John8204 View Post
    Wasn't it mostly a fan vote during Reggie's time...and didn't the G spots normally go to big markets.
    fans voted for starters. Coaches for reserves.

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    Default Re: Reggie Miller Only Made Two Consecutive All-Star Appearances

    Quote Originally Posted by L.Kizzle View Post
    Reggie Miller was a five time All-Star in his 18 year career but only two of those selections were in consecutive seasons. 1995 and 1996.

    Reggie was also an All-Star the following seasons:
    1990 All-Star
    1998 All-Star
    2000 All-Star

    The 1994 All-Star game was the season that Michael Jordan was playing baseball.
    This also might be the weakest selection of guards for the mid-season classic.

    The East starting guards were two 1st timers in BJ Armstrong and Kenny Anderson. The reserves were a few regulars Mark Price and future Hall of Famer Joe Dumars. John Starks and Mookie Blaylock rounded out the guards for the East. How the hell did Reggie Miller not get selected as a guard for that season?
    Goes to show how stacked the 90's were.

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    Default Re: Reggie Miller Only Made Two Consecutive All-Star Appearances

    Quote Originally Posted by 90sgoat View Post
    I get it, Reggie played a lot like a role player, someone like Chris Mullins or Glen Rice.
    Chris Mullin - five straight seasons of 25+ ppg, All-NBA 1st, two All-NBA 2nd teams, a 3rd team and member of original Dream Team.

    Reggie ans Glen probably more similar.

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    Default Re: Reggie Miller Only Made Two Consecutive All-Star Appearances

    Quote Originally Posted by L.Kizzle View Post
    Chris Mullin - five straight seasons of 25+ ppg, All-NBA 1st, two All-NBA 2nd teams, a 3rd team and member of original Dream Team.

    Reggie ans Glen probably more similar.
    Yeah, but Mullin fell off a cliff in the 90s and basically was a role player for most of that time.

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    Default Re: Reggie Miller Only Made Two Consecutive All-Star Appearances

    Quote Originally Posted by 90sgoat View Post
    Yeah, but Mullin fell off a cliff in the 90s and basically was a role player for most of that time.
    He got injured, he didn't just decline out of the blue.

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