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Wemby DPOY consideration
He leads the league in blocks yet isn't a serious contender for DPOY. Chet clocks in at #3, in terms of betting odds. Why is that? 🤔 Is that fair?
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Wemby DPOY consideration
a lot more to the game than blocks and steals
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XXL
Re: Wemby DPOY consideration
He's getting punished for his team's poor overall defensive rating. A narrative based on precedent. To me, he's as impactful a defender as anyone in the league. When you factor in context (Spurs defensive rating when he's on the court vs. off it + him playing out of position the first 19 games), you begin to see the value.
I think the Spurs play defense equivalent to the 7th-ranked team when Wemby is on the court and playing center. And when he's off, they play like the 30th (worst defense.) Something to that effect. To give you a comparison, 2021 Rudy had Utah doing 1st defense when on court vs. 20th when off.
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Lol
Re: Wemby DPOY consideration
The Spurs are just so bad for a variety of reasons outside of Wemby's control that he won't get considered. But he should. He's 98th percentile in defensive EPM
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The Bearded Menace
Re: Wemby DPOY consideration
He should get it over the op cumbersome big.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Wemby DPOY consideration
Originally Posted by Im Still Ballin
He's getting punished for his team's poor overall defensive rating. A narrative based on precedent. To me, he's as impactful a defender as anyone in the league. When you factor in context (Spurs defensive rating when he's on the court vs. off it + him playing out of position the first 19 games), you begin to see the value.
I think the Spurs play defense equivalent to the 7th-ranked team when Wemby is on the court and playing center. And when he's off, they play like the 30th (worst defense.) Something to that effect. To give you a comparison, 2021 Rudy had Utah doing 1st defense when on court vs. 20th when off.
come on now. Gobert was just a role player.
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Re: Wemby DPOY consideration
Fair or not depends on whether you think DPOY is for the best defensive player or there are other factors like team records, leadership etc.
You know, just like MVP is not only for the best player but there are other factors.
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I hit open 5-foot jumpshots with ease
Re: Wemby DPOY consideration
Originally Posted by RRR3
The Spurs are just so bad for a variety of reasons outside of Wemby's control that he won't get considered. But he should. He's 98th percentile in defensive EPM
Exactly. Awards have an implicit requirement that the team should do well, but Wemby and the Spurs are an extreme case. He is extremely good. His team is extremely bad. They were thinking of passing him over for ROtY too until it became so obvious that Wemby is the real deal. Perhaps that's it. They ignored his team for ROTY but not for DPOY.
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XXL
Re: Wemby DPOY consideration
Originally Posted by basketballcat
Exactly. Awards have an implicit requirement that the team should do well, but Wemby and the Spurs are an extreme case. He is extremely good. His team is extremely bad. They were thinking of passing him over for ROtY too until it became so obvious that Wemby is the real deal. Perhaps that's it. They ignored his team for ROTY but not for DPOY.
If ever there was an exception to the arbitrary narratives established by precedent, it'd be Victor. Everything lines up: the game footage, the highlight plays, the box score numbers, the player-tracking data, and the play-by-play data - especially when the context of playing out of position is added. And those data points are reflected in the one-number metrics like EPM.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
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The Bearded Menace
Re: Wemby DPOY consideration
Uncle drew and the giraffe 1 on 1.
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NBA Legend
Re: Wemby DPOY consideration
He's going to win a lot of dpoy awards. No biggie if he doesn't win this one.
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The Bearded Menace
Re: Wemby DPOY consideration
Well, he better do it frequently against prominent stars so it will hold a lot more weight. Funny how some people here just got gooey over him logging double-digit blocks against a lottery raptors team tho.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Wemby DPOY consideration
By anchoring the worst defense in the league
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Wemby DPOY consideration
He could be part of the best D this summer trying to qualify for the olympics
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