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    Why didn't he win 1v1 against this guy?


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    Default Re: Rasheed QUESTIONS Michael Jordan's defense!

    Michael Jordan won DPOY.

    Lebron never could.

    OP is a shook loser.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Da_Realist View Post
    Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf. You're speaking of the game in 1996 where MJ almost single-handedly brought the Bulls back from like a 30 point deficit on the road?? Give me a playoff series where MJ was getting burned.
    bruh that man was like 155 lbs and the first thing you got to say is give you a playoff series where he got burned?

    but okay - Clyde Drexler averaged 24.8 points, 7.8 rebounds and 5.3 assists in 6 games in the 1992 NBA Finals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paksat View Post
    bruh that man was like 155 lbs and the first thing you got to say is give you a playoff series where he got burned?

    but okay - Clyde Drexler averaged 24.8 points, 7.8 rebounds and 5.3 assists in 6 games in the 1992 NBA Finals.
    Ok if that works for you. What did Clyde do in all the previous playoff series that season?

    Rebounds and assists have nothing to do with burning someone. So let's stick to scoring and shooting. Holding a top 5 shooting guard to 25 points on 41% shooting is not bad. It is certainly not "getting burned".

    MJ averaged 27 on 42% against Seattle im 1996. Did he burn them?
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    Gotta admit. Never heard about Clyde burning anyone in the 92 Finals even though I watched it live. Not then and not in the 30+ years since. Until the internet told me so. Anyone can throw stats around. Someone can posts stats to show Bill Russell wasn't that impactful defensively.

    So what big moments did Clyde have offensively that series that would show he was too much for MJ? Anything when it mattered like in the swing games or the elimination game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Da_Realist View Post
    Ok if that works for you. What did Clyde do in all the previous playoff series that season?

    Rebounds and assists have nothing to do with burning someone. So let's stick to scoring and shooting. Holding a top 5 shooting guard to 25 points on 41% shooting is not bad. It is certainly not "getting burned".

    MJ averaged 27 on 42% against Seattle im 1996. Did he burn them?
    He had less rebounds and more assists and averaged 1 one less point for those playoffs.

    Well you asked and I gave it to you, clyde averaged 20 ppg for his career and he increased it by 5 points in not just the playoffs but the nba finals.

    Idk what you're really asking for here that would sway you anyway if that doesn't. The 90s didn't have kobe bryant, tmac, vince carter, ray allen and so many other guards that can absolutely light it up. Clyde has zero issues with jordan https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/cly...michael-jordan

    rebounds and assists are how you win games too, discounting that just makes your argument look worse. Maybe box the guy out more? That's part of winning a basketball game too. Mitch richmond hit all of his averages when guarded by jordan.

    There's not a lot of guards that can light you up in the 90s as it was a big mans game. You didn't have kobe, tmac, AI, vince carter etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Da_Realist View Post
    Gotta admit. Never heard about Clyde burning anyone in the 92 Finals even though I watched it live. Not then and not in the 30+ years since. Until the internet told me so. Anyone can throw stats around. Someone can posts stats to show Bill Russell wasn't that impactful defensively.

    So what big moments did Clyde have offensively that series that would show he was too much for MJ? Anything when it mattered like in the swing games or the elimination game?
    quit acting like mj shut clyde down lol, he didn't even slow him down AT ALL. Acting like it was all mj for why he shot lower % when you got scottie pippen also switching off on him as well as providing help defense...

    who you expect to just light jordan up in the 90s anyway? stockton? Payton? He should have SHUT PEOPLE DOWN

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    Quote Originally Posted by paksat View Post
    quit acting like mj shut clyde down lol, he didn't even slow him down AT ALL. Acting like it was all mj for why he shot lower % when you got scottie pippen also switching off on him as well as providing help defense...

    who you expect to just light jordan up in the 90s anyway? stockton? Payton? He should have SHUT PEOPLE DOWN
    That's a lot of yelling without answering any questions

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    If I have to give Sheed some credit, it's if he is going by second 3-peat and Wizard Jordan and yeah, that wasn't the DPOY MJ.

    Older MJ definitely played a lot of thuggish Stockton-like defense, slapping, pushing and so on. He wasn't running or hustling like in his youth.

    I still think that counts to MJ's benefit. Lebron hasn't played defense since 2015 and we all remember Kobe in his last season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 90sgoat View Post
    If I have to give Sheed some credit, it's if he is going by second 3-peat and Wizard Jordan and yeah, that wasn't the DPOY MJ.

    Older MJ definitely played a lot of thuggish Stockton-like defense, slapping, pushing and so on. He wasn't running or hustling like in his youth.

    I still think that counts to MJ's benefit. Lebron hasn't played defense since 2015 and we all remember Kobe in his last season.
    This simply isn't true. He led every player in blocks & steals during the '16 Finals, played solid defense throughout the 2020 championship run, & defended Jokic better than AD did in last year's WCF. The only problem is that LeBron wasn't given un-deserved All-defensive teams like you saw other superstars like Kobe did.

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    Rasheed Wallace is like the ultimate "conspiracy theorist guy". That's why I rock with him. He tells the truth.

    In regards to this particular issue though there's holes in his story. All Defense teams are position based. There has to be guards on the team. Jordan didn't provide defense like Hakeem, Ewing, Robinson at all but he did provide great defense at the guard position. Which is why he got selected to those teams. Nothing wrong with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1987_Lakers View Post
    This simply isn't true. He led every player in blocks & steals during the '16 Finals, played solid defense throughout the 2020 championship run, & defended Jokic better than AD did in last year's WCF. The only problem is that LeBron wasn't given un-deserved All-defensive teams like you saw other superstars like Kobe did.
    Lebron has been put on the weakest offensive player since as early as 2009 when he ducked Hedo and was put on Courtney Lee. That's why he gets the counting stats... his man defense is trash and his coaches use his athleticism for help defense.

    Jordan OTOH guarded Magic, Clyde, Reggie, Payton etc. whoever the best perimeter player was he guarded him and took the challenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tpols View Post
    Lebron has been put on the weakest offensive player since as early as 2009 when he ducked Hedo and was put on Courtney Lee. That's why he gets the counting stats... his man defense is trash and his coaches use his athleticism for help defense.

    Jordan OTOH guarded Magic, Clyde, Reggie, Payton etc. whoever the best perimeter player was he guarded him and took the challenge.
    LeBron was the man on Tony Parker for a good chunk of time during the 2013 Finals, and he shut him down.

    Bulls had MJ mostly on 50 year old Chris Mullin while Harper defended Reggie for the majority of the '98 ECF.

    Another post from you of just talking out of your ass.

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    https://www.chicagotribune.com/1998/...eggie-rules-2/

    Miller’s problems were far from Indiana’s only concerns. But his inability to function normally became an issue in the Pacers’ dressing room.

    “It’s an embarrassment when Reggie Miller gets abused the way he does and does not get the calls, does not get to the line,” Mark Jackson said.

    “They’re grabbing him. They’re shoving him. They’re hitting him.”

    Miller’s production was within 2.3 points of his playoff average, but the impact was missing on a night when the Pacers gave themselves a chance to win. If Miller felt the officiating was a factor in his poor shooting night, he was keeping that opinion to himself.

    “I’m not going to cry about how someone is playing defense,” Miller said.

    For a second consecutive game, 6-foot 6-inch guard Ron Harper of the Bulls did much of the work that limited Miller.

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    And the lie detector test determined... that was a lie. Game footage right here.



    Mario Chalmers was the primary defender for the series on Tony Parker. Lebron only guarded him on spot duty here and there. Parker was actually clutch in that series too. He hit a game winner swivel shot and would've had another if not for Ray Allen's shot.

    And then in 2014 when Lebron finally did guard his position Kawhi had his "breakout" performance right on his head, lighting him up, and leading the Spurs to the biggest margin of victory in NBA Finals history.

    Is what it is.

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