Giannis Antetokounmpo: LeBron James is the greatest NBA player ever

[Lebron23]

Correct. From a pure SKILLS point of view? I don't have Lebron in my top 100 all time. I really don't.
Poor footwork
Poor mid-range jumper
Poor free throw
Poor 3 pointer
No go to moves other than spin/layup and being bigger than most others. It's all athleticism & genetics.

I mean shit man, Chris Paul is about 10x more "skilled" than any year of Lebron. So was Manu (euro step, big shot maker) (Tim Duncan (fundamental skills, bank shot, defense, team skill). I could go on all day.

Safely rank LBJ in the top 250 though for pure skills. We can debate it though.

He is a better 3 points shooter than Jordan. Jordan was afraid to attempt several 3 pointers because it might affect gis free throw.

[SATAN]

Anthony Edwards’ top 5 players of all time:


Michael Jordan
Kobe Bryant
Shaquille O’Neal
Allen Iverson
Kevin Durant


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[SATAN]

He is a better 3 points shooter than Jordan. Jordan was afraid to attempt several 3 pointers because it might affect gis free throw.

He's better at a lot of things than Jordan was. They don't want to admit it though.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

He is a better 3 points shooter than Jordan. Jordan was afraid to attempt several 3 pointers because it might affect gis free throw.

Jordan, career 3pt = 32.7. LBJ, career, 34.5. LBJ has played in a league that emphasized the 3 pointer and has taken several times the # of 3 pointers.
Had it been an emphasis in 1986 Mike would have gotten better at them - I sure remember him setting the record for 3's in the first half of the 1992 finals. Don't recall James ever doing that on the biggest stage.

Mike adapted his game to the team game and made his team better. Lebron has somewhat DEVOLVED since around 2013. Takes hard work to get your shots up in practice and play defense (or even cross half court) in game. When you've been coddled and told you're the greatest from age 15, it's not surprising. LBJ just took shortcuts (team hopping, superteams, steroids, etc.)

Still though from a pure basketball perspective, the leading turnover leader still hasn't passed MJ in total offensive rebounds and he's fukking 6'10" and played 6.5 years longer. That's all effort.

[kawhileonard2]

Guys

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...o-head-to-head
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=459570

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...s-Idol-Retired
https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc200...ory?id=2568543

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...dleton-a-Title

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...ence-interview

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...tter-currently

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...high-on-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...of-America-How

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...-KG-Gold-Medal

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...los-Boozer-WCF

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...f-Devin-Booker

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...lly-played-for


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...xpected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...n-is-the-FFOAT

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...-5-0-or-higher

Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...s-Coming/page2


Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...Mode-ACTIVATED

Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...Playoffs/page3


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...all-time/page2
Lebron played with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and lost in round 2. Lebron played with Peak Duncan who had won 2 league mvp's and 3 finals mvp's and won bronze medal. Lebron played with Peak Wade who won finals mvp and got outplayed by Jason Terry. Lebron played with Derrick Rose who won mvp under age 30 which was the same as Kevin Durant who won mvp under 30 while both were on Golden State and Cleveland. Lebron played with mulitple PER leaders as well and now Russell Westbrook a league mvp winner and more triple doubles than Oscar Robertson. Yet despite all of that Lebron lost with all of them.


Jarrett Allen vs Gobert and Jarrett Allen vs Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...llen-vs-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d-Suns-were-14
Was #1 in Preseason odds and lost to a 14th seed in odds

https://www.basketball-reference.com...ason_odds.html

And Devin Booker walked them down in the playoffs with Devin outplaying Lebron.


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...ullshit-roster
He has peak Anthony Davis, the best player on the 2020 squad and the reason the Lakers did anything as the 2019 Lakers missed the playoffs and 2021 Lakers lost in round 1 when AD wasn't around. He has Prime Melo who won a scoring title and all time leader in scoring for the Olympics. He has Dwight Howard a 3x DPOY and a guy who beat Lebron without HCA. He has Westbrook who is the modern day Oscar Robertson and also won league mvp along with average a Triple Double 4 years in a row. He also has Rondo who is a hall of famer.

Why didn't he play it against Dwight Howard in 2009 when Dwight was dominating http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...th-HCA/page10? Or against Duncan or KG or Dirk? Why did he run away from KD a guy at his position?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...o-head-to-head

Why didn't he do **** against Booker in the playoffs as well?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...high-on-Lebron


Devin Booker broke Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...ron&p=14500724


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...2#post14584482

Lebron won bronze medal twice and lost with HCA 3x. Jordan only won gold medal and never lost with HCA. Prove me wrong!

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...in-2022-Season
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/tri...021-2022-stats

Expected Championships Won and Titles Over Expected
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...ge3&p=14503600


How did LeBron go 10-16 vs Kawhi? 7-12 vs Shaq? 17-23 vs Curry?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...17-23-vs-Curry

Top 50 All-Time List - Shot Clock Era = #1
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...1#post14426360


Difference between Lebron and Tmac?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...ebron-and-Tmac
Both 0-2 with HCA against 50+ win teams until they joined forces with someone who won as the man. Also won bronze medals.

Tmac lost to Utah in 2007 while Lebron was losing to a career loser in Dwight Howard and also Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics with peak Tim Duncan on his squad despite playing more minutes than Hakeem even played on the 1996 Olympic team.



LeBron's message that makes the NBA shake: A storm is coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...torm-is-coming

https://www.marca.com/en/more-sports...e588b45e9.html


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...t-Lebron-James
Outplayed Lebron in FIBA and caused America to get another bronze medal and then Greece got spanked in Gold medal final.

http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa...statistic.html


First Time Ever a team with 2 guys who won MVP missed the playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d-the-playoffs


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...1#post14584371

[ImKobe]

He's better at a lot of things than Jordan was. They don't want to admit it though.

Yeah like flopping and switching teams when his co-stars could no longer carry him.

[Axe]

Yeah like flopping and switching teams when his co-stars could no longer carry him.

Which is less worse than retiring more than twice?

[Xiao Yao You]

Which is less worse than retiring more than twice?

retiring is a bad thing?

[SATAN]

Yeah like flopping and switching teams when his co-stars could no longer carry him.