Is it true that Lebron never scored on last possession of 1-poss game in 10 Finals??

[RRR3]

Yes, I imagine most would prefer Jordan to take the last shot. He is the GOAT scorer, and a better catch-and-shoot threat.

Now, on to the lies:




Doesn’t sound like the most reliable birdie, or perhaps you just heard wrong:

Jordan, ‘97-‘98 finals:

9.8 ppg in 4th quarters, on 44% shooting

LeBron in his finals career:

7.2 ppg in 4th quarters on 47% shooting


“Doubled” on “better efficiency”, eh?



Those same teams were 8-3 against higher-win teams in the playoffs.

Perhaps that would indicate their regular season wins weren’t that revelatory. What do you think?




Kawhi led a team to 67 and 61 wins as the first option. The Spurs were 14-4 when he was off the court.


LeBron led the ‘09 and ‘10 Cavs to 66 and 61 wins. The Cavs were 2-5 when he was off the court.

He also led the ‘13 Heat to a 66-16 record. “Too stacked”, you argue? James was 7-1 with Wade on the bench, 5-0 when Bosh sat and he played.



Both Jordan and LeBron would likely win an ungodly amount of titles with those same rosters and additional opportunities (keeping in mind that LeBron was #1-on-a-championship-team calibre from roughly 04-05 to 20-21). How much exactly can be quibbled over, but it would be more than four. Curry is great, but he does not deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as either of them.

The 3ball slayer strikes again

[SouBeachTalents]

That's not surprising at all. The only time I remember lebron banging game winners was vs big underdogs in a very weak Eastern conference.

When the odds were even against the West and the pressure was on, he needed guys like Kyrie, Ray, and AD to totally bail him out

This is one of the rare occurances where Kobe does surpass LeBron in something.

[SouBeachTalents]

[3ba11]

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Thread Cliffs


No one could provide a time when Lebron scored on the last possession of a 1-possession game in the Finals - so the question becomes "how many Finals would it take to conclude that Lebron isn't good enough or skilled enough to score in these situations?"... 10 Finals is more than enough for me -- Lebron simply isn't good enough to score in this max pressure situation - it's further proof that he's a choker and inherent loser.. We already know that he never learned how to win (organic chemistry and brand development) and only learned talent-based winning (all-star team strategy and team-hopping)

[1987_Lakers]

Thread cliffs.

3ball too scared to respond to Peja

[3ba11]

That's not surprising at all. The only time I remember lebron banging game winners was vs big underdogs in a very weak Eastern conference.

When the odds were even against the West and the pressure was on, he needed guys like Kyrie, Ray, and AD to totally bail him out.

Lebron has teammates hit the biggest shots on title runs (Allen, Kyrie, AD) and he's the only guy in history that has teammates outplay league MVP's (Wade, Kyrie, AD)

[Airupthere]

Damn! Maybe they should make a stat for hot potato passes to bran can lead in the category in the finals.

[StrongLurk]

This is actual data from bballref - see stats in the bottom right:







In addition to the thread title, I also heard that Jordan doubled Lebron's ring or MVP frequency, while 97' and 98' Jordan (old Jordan) doubled Lebron's career 4th quarter scoring in the Finals (10 to 5 ppg) with much better efficiency.

The media claims that other teams simply "had better teams" and they excuse Lebron for having 1 sixty-win season from 2011-2017 (7 super-teams), while opponents flirted with 70 wins (Kawhi, Curry) without super-teams..

Ultimately, it's confirmed that Lebron is inferior to MJ or Curry because they yielded perennial Finals favorites and 70 wins, while Lebron barely wins 50 games with super-teams and has perennial underdogs.

OP can you post stats for Kobe vs Lebron here? I'm curious how Kobe fairs in this discussion.

[3ba11]

Thread cliffs.

3ball too scared to respond to Peja

I already convinced Peja that MJ > Lebron.. He says this all the time now - and now he's even saying that MJ was a far superior clutch performer and providing insight into why (superior catch-and-shoot threat)

So what should I respond to?.. The rest of his post was just a statistical correction and disagreeing that Curry > Lebron..

And his excuses for lebron's weak team records go on deaf ears - Lebron clearly isn't capable of a 70-win team, 3-peat, goat-level team, or perennial Finals favorite (dynasty) regardless of cast.. If Lebron won 70 games or even 60 games, his super-teams wouldn't be underdogs in the Finals, but instead he won 60 games ONCE in 7 years with super-teams (2011-2017), so he was always an underdog - 20 years shows that he isn't capable of having a goat-level team regardless of cast... And obviously, it's because his abnormal ball-dominance turns teammates into spot-up shooter, which doesn't develop teammates or elite chemistry, thereby yielding perennial underdogs regardless of cast.

[ShawkFactory]

I already convinced Peja that MJ > Lebron.. He says this all the time now

Yea it was clear that before interacting with you that he thought Lebron was better. Your weird lying "arguments" must have been what did it.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

This is actual data from bballref - see stats in the bottom right:

If you watched both of them play, you don't need LITERAL stats to know Mike was a better clutch player.

But hey? This is probably one of the better posts you've made. Assuming its legit...

[Axe]

Op is a huge coward.

[SouBeachTalents]

Yes, I imagine most would prefer Jordan to take the last shot. He is the GOAT scorer, and a better catch-and-shoot threat.

Now, on to the lies:




Doesn’t sound like the most reliable birdie, or perhaps you just heard wrong:

Jordan, ‘97-‘98 finals:

9.8 ppg in 4th quarters, on 44% shooting

LeBron in his finals career:

7.2 ppg in 4th quarters on 47% shooting


“Doubled” on “better efficiency”, eh?



Those same teams were 8-3 against higher-win teams in the playoffs.

Perhaps that would indicate their regular season wins weren’t that revelatory. What do you think?




Kawhi led a team to 67 and 61 wins as the first option. The Spurs were 14-4 when he was off the court.


LeBron led the ‘09 and ‘10 Cavs to 66 and 61 wins. The Cavs were 2-5 when he was off the court.

He also led the ‘13 Heat to a 66-16 record. “Too stacked”, you argue? James was 7-1 with Wade on the bench, 5-0 when Bosh sat and he played.



Both Jordan and LeBron would likely win an ungodly amount of titles with those same rosters and additional opportunities (keeping in mind that LeBron was #1-on-a-championship-team calibre from roughly 04-05 to 20-21). How much exactly can be quibbled over, but it would be more than four. Curry is great, but he does not deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as either of them.

OP wanted NONE of this post

[3ba11]

Yea it was clear that before interacting with you that he thought Lebron was better. Your weird lying "arguments" must have been what did it.

Peja agrees that MJ is GOAT, so there's no debate - only a fake one, which doesn't make sense for me to engage in when he already agrees - he even said that MJ was a "better catch-and-shoot threat" - he doesn't normally consider things like "off-ball" or use that verbage, so I've been educating this guy.. It's great to see..

Your weird lying "arguments" must have been what did it.

Smart people see the truth:







Otoh, the willfully-ignorant will say that actual insight is infact "lying"

[ShawkFactory]

Peja agrees that MJ is GOAT, so there's no debate

So what are the 50-60k posts for then?

A side income, I know.