Jaylen Brown for Brandon Ingram

[BallsOut]

What?

Ingram and Jaylen are near enough on the same level

Ingram is the better shooter and superior ball handler and playmaker whilst Jaylen is a better finisher and slightly better defender

Ingram would have likely made the all star team this year if he was healthy

RMWG is right. Ingram isn't on Brown's level. He's on a level above Brown.

[Real Men Wear Green]

What?

Ingram and Jaylen are near enough on the same level

Ingram is the better shooter and superior ball handler and playmaker whilst Jaylen is a better finisher and slightly better defender

Ingram would have likely made the all star team this year if he was healthy

"What" about AllNBA vs non allstar is hard to understand? If you miss almost half the season and as a direct result your team doesn't make the playoffs it negatively affects your value. In 6 of his 7 seasons Ingram had missed at least 20 games. That's a problem. Brown is the better scorer rebounder and defender (the difference here is not just slight) and he didn't just miss 37 games. 6 of 7 years we have seen Ingram misses a quarter or more of the season. It's not just a fluke.

Though in the spirit of fairness I should point out that I didn't do the math on the bubble season and how many games he missed that year.

[Real Men Wear Green]

RMWG is right. Ingram isn't on Brown's level. He's on a level above Brown.

that level has no AllNBA players on it apparently so it doesn't exist.

[Airupthere]

Jaylen Brown is overrated

[Mask the Embiid]

Why the hell would the pelicans do that?


Edit nvm I see Ive already answered this troll post

[tontoz]

I saw a story recently that the Pels were frustrated that Ingram missed so much time this season with a toe contusion.

[ImKobe]

"What" about AllNBA vs non allstar is hard to understand? If you miss almost half the season and as a direct result your team doesn't make the playoffs it negatively affects your value. In 6 of his 7 seasons Ingram had missed at least 20 games. That's a problem. Brown is the better scorer rebounder and defender (the difference here is not just slight) and he didn't just miss 37 games. 6 of 7 years we have seen Ingram misses a quarter or more of the season. It's not just a fluke.

Though in the spirit of fairness I should point out that I didn't do the math on the bubble season and how many games he missed that year.

That's false. There were only 72 games in '20 & '21 so he couldn't have missed 20+ games then.

[Manny98]

"What" about AllNBA vs non allstar is hard to understand? If you miss almost half the season and as a direct result your team doesn't make the playoffs it negatively affects your value. In 6 of his 7 seasons Ingram had missed at least 20 games. That's a problem. Brown is the better scorer rebounder and defender (the difference here is not just slight) and he didn't just miss 37 games. 6 of 7 years we have seen Ingram misses a quarter or more of the season. It's not just a fluke.

Though in the spirit of fairness I should point out that I didn't do the math on the bubble season and how many games he missed that year.

They're literally even as scorers wtf are you talking about? Ingram is the better shooter and is more efficient so if anything Ingram is the better scorer

Ingram is vastly superior and playmaking and ball handling

They're on the same tier as basketball players but again you're too bias as a fan to agree with that

[PeroAntic]

Would definitely make the trade. Jaylen is better defensively, but Boston already have a great defensive unit so they would need more of Ingram's offensive skillset than his D.

[Real Men Wear Green]

They're literally even as scorers wtf are you talking about? Ingram is the better shooter and is more efficient so if anything Ingram is the better scorer

Ingram is vastly superior and playmaking and ball handling

They're on the same tier as basketball players but again you're too bias as a fan to agree with that

You again completely ignore how many games Ingram misses. You claim Ingram is just as good a scorer when Brown averages more points and does it more efficiently. Check the shooting numbers. Ingram does have a better handle but is inferior as a rebounder and defender. And oh yeah, he missed 37 games.

Being a hater is also a form of bias. FYI.

[Manny98]

You again completely ignore how many games Ingram misses. You claim Ingram is just as good a scorer when Brown averages more points and does it more efficiently. Check the shooting numbers. Ingram does have a better handle but is inferior as a rebounder and defender. And oh yeah, he missed 37 games.

Being a hater is also a form of bias. FYI.

No Brown had a lower PER and TS% than Ingram this year. In fact Ingram has him beat in virtually every single advanced stat, both are nothing special on the defensive end.

Games played is irrelevant in this discussion

I'm not a hater of either player, but everything points to them being around the same level as players, saying Jaylen is a whole tier above Ingram is your Boston delusion talking bud

[Real Men Wear Green]

No Brown had a lower PER and TS% than Ingram this year. In fact Ingram has him beat in virtually every single advanced stat, both are nothing special on the defensive end.

Games played is irrelevant in this discussion

I'm not a hater of either player, but everything points to them being around the same level as players, saying Jaylen is a whole tier above Ingram is your Boston delusion talking bud

Games played is irrelevant when missed games are the reason why Ingram's team missed the playoffs? That's an idiotic take. I didn't say anything about PER (that's an overarching stat that tries to evaluate everything not just scoring that you shouldn't be citing because you almost definitely don't know what it means). I pointed at the fact that Brown scores more points and is sorting a better percentage. You continue to ignore what Brown does defensively and the fact that 5 out of 7 years Ingram has missed a quarter of the season including 37 missed games this year that directly relates to the Pelicans missing the playoffs.

[Manny98]

Yes games played is irrelevant when talking about who's better at basketball

Brown is average at best defensively, never seen him shut anyone down, Butler was cooking the Celtics all series

Again Ingram has a better 3 point percentage and has a higher true shooting percentage, read again

Playmaking and ball handling Ingram is vastly superior

On the scale of 1-10 if Jaylen is a 8.7 then Ingram is a 8.6 they are virtually on the same level as players

[ImKobe]

Yes games played is irrelevant when talking about who's better at basketball

Brown is average at best defensively, never seen him shut anyone down, Butler was cooking the Celtics all series

Again Ingram has a better 3 point percentage and has a higher true shooting percentage, read again

Playmaking and ball handling Ingram is vastly superior

On the scale of 1-10 if Jaylen is a 8.7 then Ingram is a 8.6 they are virtually on the same level as players

Brown himself has also missed 14+ games the last 4 seasons but he's on a stacked team so it doesn't matter. He's also putting all the blame on BI's injuries when Zion hasn't been available for more than 29 games in 3 out of his 4 seasons and has played just 29 games in the last two years.

Fact is that BI got them to the Play-In by winning 9 out of the last 12 (should have been 10 out of the last 12 but the refs robbed them against Minnesota) games with 29/6/8 averages on 51/38/91 shooting. A healthy BI is clearly a better player than Jaylen Brown. Jaylen Brown's defense is also mad overrated at this point.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Yes games played is irrelevant when talking about who's better at basketball

Brown is average at best defensively, never seen him shut anyone down, Butler was cooking the Celtics all series

Again Ingram has a better 3 point percentage and has a higher true shooting percentage, read again

Playmaking and ball handling Ingram is vastly superior

On the scale of 1-10 if Jaylen is a 8.7 then Ingram is a 8.6 they are virtually on the same level as players

If games played are irrelevant then so must be making the playoffs and winning in general. That's a stupid way to think. Of course it matters and of course it effects their value, one guy is AllNBA and the other is not even an allstar and you can't tell any difference apparently. You want to see Brown defend take a look at what he did to James Harden after game 1. Ând an excellent example of his defense vs a star would be how he shut down Pascal Siakam in the 2020 playoffs. You don't know about his defense because you've been paying no attention, which is also likely why you think a guy that misses 37 games is just as valuable. Oh, and again: Brown spots better from the field. And didn't just miss 37 games.