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2nd Greatest Player
Re: Why is STOCKTON so underrated?
Even Russell Westbrook put up better stats than Stockton in the nba finals.
Russell Westbrook has averaged 27.0 points, 6.6 assists and 6.4 rebounds in 5 games in the NBA Finals in his career.
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2nd Greatest Player
Re: Why is STOCKTON so underrated?
Originally Posted by 1987_Lakers
I'm not so sure Stockton could defend & shoot like CP3, but they are on similar levels in those departments.
His prime/peak was a step below other all-time great PGs like Magic, Nash, CP3, & the Big O, but his longevity more than made up for it.
I always see him listed as a top 25-30 player ever.
I don't think he gets underrated.
Probably top 30-35
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Boom Baby!
Re: Why is STOCKTON so underrated?
He was underrated obviously because of his longevity. The version of him we all remember he was past his prime, not the guy going for 17pts 15 assists and 3 steals on insane percentages at his peak.
He was also unselfish to a fault, not shooting the ball enough despite having the skillset to score in volume. Barkley in interviews have said that Stockton could have scored 25ppg if he wanted to which was nomal opinion among his peers its just that he decided to play a different way
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Euros rule NBA, UMAD?
Re: Why is STOCKTON so underrated?
Originally Posted by Reggie43
He was underrated obviously because of his longevity. The version of him we all remember he was past his prime, not the guy going for 17pts 15 assists and 3 steals on insane percentages at his peak.
He was also unselfish to a fault, not shooting the ball enough despite having the skillset to score in volume. Barkley in interviews have said that Stockton could have scored 25ppg if he wanted to which was nomal opinion among his peers its just that he decided to play a different way
The Jazz may have won a title if he did that, it would make the PnR infinitely more dangerous if Stockton was as lethal scoring as he was passing. 'Deciding to play a different way' if he really had that capability handicapped the ceiling of that team.
Last edited by Phoenix; 05-23-2023 at 07:55 PM.
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Re: Why is STOCKTON so underrated?
Originally Posted by Phoenix
The Jazz may have won a title if he did that, it would make the PNR infinitely more dangerous if Stockton was as dangeous scoring as he was passing. 'Deciding to play a different way' if he really had that capability handicapped the ceiling of that team.
Stockton swept Shaq and Duncan, while Lebron was destroyed by Booker or Jokic with more help
So there are things you aren't considering like Stockton's low turnovers and superior clutch stats - Stockton was Jordan in the clutch - literally - MJ and Stockton were always 1 and 2 in clutch points with Stockton being right there with MJ
Stockton also averaged 21/11 in the 97' WCF including the historic series walk-off over Barkley - this carried the Jazz to the Finals - almost no PG's have done that
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Euros rule NBA, UMAD?
Re: Why is STOCKTON so underrated?
Originally Posted by 3ba11
Stockton swept Shaq and Duncan, while Lebron was destroyed by Booker or Jokic with more help
So there are things you aren't considering like Stockton's low turnovers and superior clutch stats - Stockton was Jordan in the clutch - literally - MJ and Stockton were always 1 and 2 in clutch points with Stockton being right there with MJ
Stockton also averaged 21/11 in the 97' WCF including the historic series walk-off over Barkley - this carried the Jazz to the Finals - almost no PG's have done that
It's funny that I see you quote me and I literally gloss over your post. I couldn't be less interested in anything you have to say directed at me or in general.
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Re: Why is STOCKTON so underrated?
Originally Posted by Phoenix
It's funny that I see you quote me and I literally gloss over your post. I couldn't be less interested in anything you have to say directed at me or in general.
Haha you're so mad
Get Lebron's dick out of your mouth son.. Then you won't be so mad
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Euros rule NBA, UMAD?
Re: Why is STOCKTON so underrated?
Originally Posted by 3ba11
Haha you're so mad
Get Lebron's dick out of your mouth son.. Then you won't be so mad
You should take your own advice. The first post you quoted had nothing to do with Lebron, I was talking about Stockton's scoring you stupid fukk
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
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Boom Baby!
Re: Why is STOCKTON so underrated?
Originally Posted by Phoenix
The Jazz may have won a title if he did that, it would make the PNR infinitely more dangerous if Stockton was as dangeous scoring as he was passing. 'Deciding to play a different way' if he really had that capability handicapped the ceiling of that team.
Whats really the difference between having 10 more points compared to 5 more assists? Passing more increases the effectivity of his teammates while promoting team chemistry. Jazz never had that deep of a team to begin with especially in their Finals runs and he made them a more dangerous team overall because of his unselfishness.
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Re: Why is STOCKTON so underrated?
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Why is STOCKTON so underrated?
Stockton was never known as a scorer. Dude is really showing "clutch points" in 1997, the year he averaged around 15 ppg or so. I can only imagine how much you would shit on a player if he put up those numbers playing with MJ.
Now, prime Nash... that is a good example of a point guard who could take over a game occasional with his scoring.
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Euros rule NBA, UMAD?
Re: Why is STOCKTON so underrated?
Originally Posted by 3ba11
Yes and my post was about Stockton's scoring (despite the Lebron derail)
As far as I read. Yes, you took a post about Stockton and saw an opportunity to mention Lebron. We could have been talking about pvssy and you'd segway that into Lebron, dumb fukk
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I usually hit open layups
Re: Why is STOCKTON so underrated?
FG - 51.5%
FG3% - 38.4%
In this era, the tutti fruity/Curry era, he'd be boss!!!
Look at that range!
the BIG SLOW? No thank you!
the combo guard? Nope!
CPB!tch? Not a chance!
Give me Stockton all day!
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Re: Why is STOCKTON so underrated?
Originally Posted by 1987_Lakers
Stockton was never known as a scorer. Dude is really showing "clutch points" in 1997, the year he averaged around 15 ppg or so. I can only imagine how much you would shit on a player if he put up those numbers playing with MJ.
Now, prime Nash... that is a good example of a point guard who could take over a game occasional with his scoring.
Stockton was a better scorer than Pippen in the 97' Playoffs:
Playoffs
97' Pippen.......... 19/7/4 on 42%..... clutch = zero
97' Stockton....... 16/4/9 on 52%..... clutch = MJ
Stockton's 97' run also exceeded Pippen's 96' and 98' runs where Pippen averaged 16.8 on literally the worst efficiency that anyone ever had for a playoff run of 15 games and 35 mpg
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