Truth is..Lebron was NEVER "that guy"

[Hey Yo]

It's confirmed that prime Lebron would be 2nd option to Jordan because he was 2nd option to 2011 Wade - Wade led the Heat in scoring for the 2011 Playoffs, which includes the ECF and FInals

Then in the offseason, Riley knew the offense needed to start with LeBron. That's why Wade took the backseat and then Miami rattled off 2 in a row with LeFMVP.

[TheMan]

That's nonsense because even without considering the deck-stacking, 20 seasons has confirmed that there's no lineup you can put around him and yield a team that mostly wins titles and/or is a consistent Finals favorite

He mostly loses and is an underdog regardless of cast - 20 years has confirmed this

He's just a deck-stacker with a suboptimal skillset (big man ball-dominance) that can't mostly win or have consistent favorite regardless of cast

Yo 3ba11, you're the only dude here who predicted the correct outcome to the Lakers Nuggets series, congrats big guy

[Hey Yo]

only a bronie would care about awards that are voted on by fat white guys.

You get a vote??

[3ba11]

Then in the offseason, Riley knew the offense needed to start with LeBron. That's why Wade took the backseat and then Miami rattled off 2 in a row with LeFMVP.

Nonsense - the only reason the Heat lost in 2011 is because Lebron choked in the Finals and cost Wade his 2nd FMVP - Lebron only averaged 18/7/6 with zero points in clutch-time (last 5 within 5) - so Lebron was literally Pippen, which wasn't enough for prime Wade/Bosh to win with - only MJ could win with that crap

And Lebron choked in the 2013 Finals with 16 on 39% thru 3 games while teammates staved off an 0-3 deficit.. His 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 games (MJ never needed 7) and needed Ray to force Game 7.. So the 13' Finals were another meltdown but Ray saved him.. And Lebron's veteran super-team was underdog to baby Westbrick in 2012 and the fossil Spurs in 2014 (record loss).. So Lebron's Heat tenure was an embarassment (11', 14' and the ray miracle) and massive underachievement.

[SouBeachTalents]

Nonsense - the only reason the Heat lost in 2011 is because Lebron choked in the Finals and cost Wade his 2nd FMVP - Lebron only averaged 18/7/6 with zero points in clutch-time (last 5 within 5) - so Lebron was literally Pippen, which wasn't enough for prime Wade/Bosh to win with - only MJ could win with that crap

And Lebron choked in the 2013 Finals with 16 on 39% thru 3 games while teammates staved off an 0-3 deficit.. His 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 games (MJ never needed 7) and needed Ray to force Game 7.. So the 13' Finals were another meltdown but Ray saved him.. And Lebron's veteran super-team was underdog to baby Westbrick in 2012 and the fossil Spurs in 2014 (record loss).. So Lebron's Heat tenure was an embarassment (11', 14' and the ray miracle) and massive underachievement.

Damn near Kobe & Bird's career Finals averages, your top 2 & 3 players.

[3ba11]

Damn near Kobe & Bird's career Finals averages, your top 2 & 3 players.

None of their FMVP's were infact bed-wettings and teammate saves/bailouts

[SouBeachTalents]

None of their FMVP's were infact bed-wettings and teammate saves/bailouts

Uh, you see Kobe's Game 7

[3ba11]

Uh, you see Kobe's Game 7

Kobe had no teammate bailouts, aka no situations where he 100% would've lost the title if a teammate didn't make the shot

so none of his titles can be switched based on a lucky bounce..

Otoh, 2 of Lebron's chips can be reversed by a single bounce, which is further indication that he's overrated and not capable of winning as much as people say.. We already know that it doesn't matter who a GM surrounds Lebron with - he isn't capable of having a team that is mostly wins or is mostly a Finals favorite - he mostly loses and has perennial underdogs regardless of cast.

[SouBeachTalents]

Kobe had no teammate bailouts, aka no situations where he 100% would've lost the title if a teammate didn't make the shot

so none of his titles can be switched based on a lucky bounce..

Otoh, 2 of Lebron's chips can be reversed by a single bounce, which is further indication that he's overrated and not capable of winning as much as people say.. We already know that it doesn't matter who a GM surrounds Lebron with - he isn't capable of having a team that is mostly wins or is mostly a Finals favorite - he mostly loses and has perennial underdogs regardless of cast.

The Cavs 100% lose if they remain tied with 50 seconds left? That's just stupid. Kobe needed Horry's shot against the Kings more than LeBron needed Kyrie's. I'd 100% sign up for a tied game with 50 seconds left than be down 3-1 without HCA.

[red1]

yeah he was never that guy


just the GOAT

[sdot_thadon]

You've made 3 different Lebron topics in the last 10 minutes...

Lol calm your bitchass down

Oof.

[tpols]

Uh, you see Kobe's Game 7

That game ended in the 80s and Pau shot like shit too. Everybody did in that particular game.

[Hey Yo]

Uh, you see Kobe's Game 7

Which one?

2008 he shot 32%..sorry, that was game 6.
2010 he shot 25%

[SouBeachTalents]

That game ended in the 80s and Pau shot like shit too. Everybody did in that particular game.

Bruh, he had a bad game. He CLEARLY was affected by the pressure for the first 3 quarters. I honestly give him props for being able to overcome a brutal shooting night and contribute to the win by crashing the boards and getting to the line, but his nerves got the better of him for most of that night. It's not even that he was just missing shots, he was pressing badly and forcing up some absolutely atrocious attempts throughout the game. He was very fortunate not to have that L go down on his resume, that would have been brutal for him and a real career changer.

[tpols]

Bruh, he had a bad game. He CLEARLY was affected by the pressure for the first 3 quarters. I honestly give him props for being able to overcome a brutal shooting night and contribute to the win by crashing the boards and getting to the line, but his nerves got the better of him for most of that night. It's not even that he was just missing shots, he was pressing badly and forcing up some absolutely atrocious attempts throughout the game. He was very fortunate not to have that L go down on his resume, that would have been brutal for him and a real career changer.

Ray Allen shot 21%. Pierce shot 33%. Pau and Odom shot 37% as 7footers. Bynum shot 20%.

Pretty much everybody shot bad in that game. I don't agree with your assessment that Kobe was nervous. If anything he was overzealous and glory hunting and it backfired until it didn't. His guys weren't doing anything and he pressed the issue.