20 NBA Seasons, 17 Super Teams, and only 4 Rings to show for it

[Dbrog]

interesting, thought it applies to a few in the GOAT list and not just Lebron. like I said, contradicts or hypocrisy to not have him top5 at the very least

20 seasons: KAJ Kobe Lebron
19 seasons: TD Shaq

Yup that 5 is pretty good if your main criteria is longevity. Just saying that's not everyone's criteria.

[r15mohd]

Yup that 5 is pretty good if your main criteria is longevity. Just saying that's not everyone's criteria.

you can pick any criteria and HAVE to place Lebron in it ... leaving him out would, again, be contradicting or hypocritical to who is in place of him

[Dbrog]

you can pick any criteria and HAVE to place Lebron in it ... leaving him out would, again, be contradicting or hypocritical to who is in place of him

You're an idiot. You realize a person can have most skilled scorers as a criteria right? Or championships? Or culturally changing the game for the better? Or a vast variety of other things. He would absolutely not top 5 of any of those

[RRR3]

You're an idiot. You realize a person can have most skilled scorers as a criteria right? Or championships? Or culturally changing the game for the better? Or a vast variety of other things. He would absolutely not top 5 of any of those

If your top 5 GOAT list was based off the most skilled scorers ever (whatever that even means, because people just think skills are handles and shooting), it would be something like Kyrie, CP3, Curry, Harden and Durant. Which I think everyone who's not braindead recognizes is an absolutely insane top 5 GOAT list.

If you're going by most championships, your top 5 would be Bill Russell and 4 of his teammates, which is an even more insane list.


Culturally changing the game for the better is impossible to measure objectively, and even if it weren't guys like Earl Lloyd and Nat Clifton would clearly be top 5 which would also make the list insane.


So I guess if your criteria is asinine, you have a point but I am assuming r15mohd expected you to come up with criteria that wasn't deranged.

[r15mohd]

If your top 5 GOAT list was based off the most skilled scorers ever (whatever that even means, because people just think skills are handles and shooting), it would be something like Kyrie, CP3, Curry, Harden and Durant. Which I think everyone who's not braindead recognizes is an absolutely insane top 5 GOAT list.

If you're going by most championships, your top 5 would be Bill Russell and 4 of his teammates, which is an even more insane list.


Culturally changing the game for the better is impossible to measure objectively, and even if it weren't guys like Earl Lloyd and Nat Clifton would clearly be top 5 which would also make the list insane.


So I guess if your criteria is asinine, you have a point but I am assuming r15mohd expected you to come up with criteria that wasn't deranged.

sad the circles some run in to justify their narratives lol

[Manny98]

Only 4 rings? Do you realize how stupid some of you sound when you say he only has 4 rings

Most HOF are lucky to get one

LeBron has won more as the 1st option than anyone ever outside of Michael Jordan

[Full Court]

What about those 0-4 pockets like this one? No player has been on more Superteams that have gotten swepted than Lebron.

No one's ever led a super team to the lottery either.

[Dbrog]

sad the circles some run in to justify their narratives lol

The irony of this made me chuckle

[sdot_thadon]

You're an idiot. You realize a person can have most skilled scorers as a criteria right? Or championships? Or culturally changing the game for the better? Or a vast variety of other things. He would absolutely not top 5 of any of those

And in the same breath you shoot yourself in the foot. Scoring? Lebron is the all time leading scorer for the reg. season and playoffs. Of people in the consensus top 10 he's 3rd in ppg. That's not top 5? Championships? 6 guys in the top 10 have more titles on paper. Of those 6 probably 2 have led their teams to more chips as best player. Of those 6 only one has more finals mvps. Not top 5? Cultural impact? Of the top 10 or so maybe only 2 guys could be said to have had more impact. Just sounds like you didn't think this statement through much at all.

[Dbrog]

And in the same breath you shoot yourself in the foot. Scoring? Lebron is the all time leading scorer for the reg. season and playoffs. Of people in the consensus top 10 he's 3rd in ppg. That's not top 5? Championships? 6 guys in the top 10 have more titles on paper. Of those 6 probably 2 have led their teams to more chips as best player. Of those 6 only one has more finals mvps. Not top 5? Cultural impact? Of the top 10 or so maybe only 2 guys could be said to have had more impact. Just sounds like you didn't think this statement through much at all.

It seems you are projecting about not thinking through. You just listed a longevity stat for Lebron rather than "skilled scoring" criteria which someone could place more weight onto...not saying that's my criteria btw.

Skilled scoring weighted higher for GOATs could look something like Curry, Kobe, Hakeem, Jordan, and Kareem or maybe Bird in no particular order.

Leading your team to championships you say only 2 have led their team to more but let me guess...you are one of the guys who put Iggy or Parker as the "best player" on those teams even though the rest of us actually saw those series and know they are BS. That top 5 would look something like Duncan, Russell, Jordan, Kareem, and Kobe/Magic by someone who knows at least a small amount of context about basketball...again probably not talking about you

Cultural being weighted...definitely gotta be Magic, Bird, Jordan, Russell, and maybe Dr. J though he could be pretty arguable

Point being that you neanderthals on here can't see past your own nose enough to see that other people have different perceptions than you that are just as valid as your dumb ass

[Iverson3]

malone and stockton played for 20 years

O rings

O finals mvp

[RRR3]

It seems you are projecting about not thinking through. You just listed a longevity stat for Lebron rather than "skilled scoring" criteria which someone could place more weight onto...not saying that's my criteria btw.

Skilled scoring weighted higher for GOATs could look something like Curry, Kobe, Hakeem, Jordan, and Kareem or maybe Bird in no particular order.

Leading your team to championships you say only 2 have led their team to more but let me guess...you are one of the guys who put Iggy or Parker as the "best player" on those teams even though the rest of us actually saw those series and know they are BS. That top 5 would look something like Duncan, Russell, Jordan, Kareem, and Kobe/Magic by someone who knows at least a small amount of context about basketball...again probably not talking about you

Cultural being weighted...definitely gotta be Magic, Bird, Jordan, Russell, and maybe Dr. J though he could be pretty arguable

Point being that you neanderthals on here can't see past your own nose enough to see that other people have different perceptions than you that are just as valid as your dumb ass

Kobe, Kareem and Jordan are not as skilled as Kyrie or Chris Paul. Not even close. You just picked the most “skilled” from among the top 10, you didn’t pick the most skilled period.

Claiming Kobe, Magic and Kareem led their teams to more rings than LeBron did is deranged. Kobe won a ring averaging 15.6 PPG on 41% TS were giving him credit for “leading” the Lakers in 2000?

Kareem was better than Magic for 1-2 of their rings and Magic was better than Kareem for the rest. Thus neither have more rings as the best player than LeBron. Try harder.

[r15mohd]

It seems you are projecting about not thinking through. You just listed a longevity stat for Lebron rather than "skilled scoring" criteria which someone could place more weight onto...not saying that's my criteria btw.

Skilled scoring weighted higher for GOATs could look something like Curry, Kobe, Hakeem, Jordan, and Kareem or maybe Bird in no particular order.

Leading your team to championships you say only 2 have led their team to more but let me guess...you are one of the guys who put Iggy or Parker as the "best player" on those teams even though the rest of us actually saw those series and know they are BS. That top 5 would look something like Duncan, Russell, Jordan, Kareem, and Kobe/Magic by someone who knows at least a small amount of context about basketball...again probably not talking about you

Cultural being weighted...definitely gotta be Magic, Bird, Jordan, Russell, and maybe Dr. J though he could be pretty arguable

Point being that you neanderthals on here can't see past your own nose enough to see that other people have different perceptions than you that are just as valid as your dumb ass

you can have whatever perception you want for GOAT, however the top 5 will include Lebron no matter what way you try to divvy it up - and only contradicting or hypocrisy notions will push him out of that group.

example you gave for Iggy/Parker is exactly why Curry or Kobe arent in the convo for GOATs as they were lead by KD and Shaq respectively. it's contradicting to your own point.

[Iverson3]

Kobe, Kareem and Jordan are not as skilled as Kyrie or Chris Paul. Not even close. You just picked the most “skilled” from among the top 10, you didn’t pick the most skilled period.

Claiming Kobe, Magic and Kareem led their teams to more rings than LeBron did is deranged. Kobe won a ring averaging 15.6 PPG on 41% TS were giving him credit for “leading” the Lakers in 2000?

Kareem was better than Magic for 1-2 of their rings and Magic was better than Kareem for the rest. Thus neither have more rings as the best player than LeBron. Try harder.

Drog is an idiot. Just Ignore him. Kobe is not even a top 10 player of all time.

[Dbrog]

Kobe, Kareem and Jordan are not as skilled as Kyrie or Chris Paul. Not even close. You just picked the most “skilled” from among the top 10, you didn’t pick the most skilled period.

Claiming Kobe, Magic and Kareem led their teams to more rings than LeBron did is deranged. Kobe won a ring averaging 15.6 PPG on 41% TS were giving him credit for “leading” the Lakers in 2000?

Kareem was better than Magic for 1-2 of their rings and Magic was better than Kareem for the rest. Thus neither have more rings as the best player than LeBron. Try harder.

Said "weighted" which is not the same as "only"...then again you are the most illiterate person on the site so this isn't surprising.