Lebron James

[elementally morale]

Come on guys, Messi is absolutely in the conversation. If soccer had a Mt. Rushmore he would be there.

Pelé
Maradona
Ronaldo
Messi

That is the conversation. And you cannot really get it wrong choosing one over the other. Pelé was well before my time (as was Puskas) so it's a totally different era. I'd personally choose Messi out of the other 3 with Maradona being second. But I guess you can build just as good a case for Ronaldo. (There was another Ronald from Brazil, also a top 10ish player ever). When it comes down to it I usually choose finesse and skill (a'la Ronaldinho) over physical greatness; be it basketball or football (soccer). But it's just personal preference and I know that. HOwever, you would be very wrong to say Messi is not even in the conversation of the best player of all time. Choosing Pelé with all the changes over the decades would be like choosing George Mikan in the NBA. Or Oscar Robertson, probably a better comparison.

As for Djokovic, the conversation is:

Federer
Djokovic
Nadal
_____
Sampras
Connors
Borg
McEnroe
______
Agassi
Lever

Only Djokovic and Nadal can add to their legacy and Djokovic is much more likely to do so.

[3ba11]

Constantly getting to the finals

When did Lebron start making a bunch of Finals?

It was after he put the top 3 first options in the conference on 1 team.

So one of his primary achievements in the eyes of his fans (making Finals) was completely manufactured.

The 2010 Celtics were already old and massive underdogs (+500), so the conference was supposed to wide open for the next decade with Wade, Derozan, Lebron, George and Bosh battling for East supremacy - but Lebron just teamed up with everyone instead.

Why can't Lebron fans admit that he stacked the deck? Why give credit for "making Finals" when you know that he FAILED to win the East with homecourt in 09' and 10, so he diluted the conference and consolidated power on 1 team?

[bison]

15-20 thousand posts over several names pretending to be a fan of someone is if nothing else impressive dedication to the bit.

You post under the 3ball and LAZARUS accounts. You’re just as sick as anyone else here.

[elementally morale]

You post under the 3ball and LAZARUS accounts. You’re just as sick as anyone else here.

Praising Hitler the other night with the gas chamber reference pretty much takes the cake for me in the last few years.

[3ba11]

You post under the 3ball and LAZARUS accounts. You’re just as sick as anyone else here.

Mods have the lowest character and integrity of anyone on this planet.

[bison]

Mods have the lowest character and integrity of anyone on this planet.

Yup. They are manipulative losers.

[3ba11]

Lebron has repeated success. Constantly winning is the point of the game.

Here's what "constantly winning" looks like

2004 - lottery
2005 - lottery
2006 - 2nd Round loss
2007 - 22 on 35%
2008 - 2nd Round loss
2009 - ECF upset loss
2010 - 2nd Round loss

"constantly winning" doh...

Lebron has the same number of early exits as MJ before he won his first title, except Lebron was locked up (07', 08') or upset (09', 10'), while Jordan never did either.

So Lebron was an embarrassment before the "decision" to team up with opponents and put the top 3 first options in the conference on 1 team.

And losing in the Finals means that the player mostly likely wouldn't make the Finals from the other conference - so Finals appearances are conference-dependent - only winning them matters.. "constantly winning" was Jordan - the instant he got a single all-star teammate - only Jordan never needed more than 1 all-star to win a bunch of chips.

[RogueBorg]

Here's what "constantly winning" looks like

2004 - lottery
2005 - lottery
2006 - 2nd Round loss
2007 - 22 on 35%
2008 - 2nd Round loss
2009 - ECF upset loss
2010 - 2nd Round loss

"constantly winning" doh...

Lebron has the same number of early exits as MJ before he won his first title, except Lebron was locked up (07', 08') or upset (09', 10'), while Jordan never did either.

So Lebron was an embarrassment before the "decision" to team up with opponents and put the top 3 first options in the conference on 1 team.

And losing in the Finals means that the player mostly likely wouldn't make the Finals from the other conference - so Finals appearances are conference-dependent - only winning them matters.. "constantly winning" was Jordan - the instant he got a single all-star teammate - only Jordan never needed more than 1 all-star to win a bunch of chips.

Lebron has 15 seasons of not winning it all, might be 16.