Lebron gets 23 ppg in these Playoffs (18th) - that's a Rip Hamilton-caliber chip

[3ba11]

Lebron beat superior teams than Jordan in the NBA Finals.

Baron Davis beat a 67-win team and Dwight beat a 66-win team, while Jordan never did either

But they aren't better than Jordan.

So consider that the 98' Jazz destroyed Duncan and Popovich in 5 games, while Lebron lost by record amount.

You're forgetting that the 15' Warriors barely beat the injured Cavs', while the 98' Jazz swept Shaq's 4 all-stars and Duncan/Pop - so MJ would have an easier carry-job versus the 1st-timer Warriors than the 10-yr organic juggernauts in 90's West.. Parity is tougher path than being 1 of few stacked team in top-heavy league..

The only reason that Lebron lost in 2015 is because he shot 39% and allowed an 8 ppg bench player to double his average and win FMVP

[Chick Stern]

He was 39 and 40, while Lebron recently turned 38, so next year is the real gauge for Lebron vs Wizards Jordan.

Jordan got injured right before his 39th birthday, but Jordan's brief period in the NBA at 38 years old saw him be 1 of 3 guys that averaged 25/5/5 (Kobe, MJ, Tmac) with many 40 or 50 point games and the Wizards were the 4th seed (26-21)...

All this occurred while the league allowed 10 less points per 100 possessions..

So people don't realize how great MJ was at 38 (before he turned 39).. Regardless, he added 18 wins to a 19-win team and achieved expectation for a bad team, while 37-year Lebron missed the play-in with the preseason favorite last year and big 3 super-team.

Nobody considered them the favorite

[3ba11]

Nobody considered them the favorite

The 2022 Lakers were one of the preseason favorites because they had a big 3 of top 75 players.

But as usual, Lebron's weak brand of ball turned favored talent into whimpering underdogs that need more help.. Lebron turned the actual preseason favorite into underdogs in 2012, 2014, 2016 and 2021.

Btw, nobody considered many of Lebron's super-teams to be favorites but they should've been.. The 2012 Heat should've been heavy favorites over baby Wesbrick but Lebron's weak brand of ball yields weak chemistry, strategy/coaching, and therefore underdogs regardless of cast.

[Chick Stern]

The 2022 Lakers were one of the preseason favorites because they had a big 3 of top 75 players.

But as usual, Lebron's weak brand of ball turned favored talent into whimpering underdogs that need more help.. Lebron turned the actual preseason favorite into underdogs in 2012, 2014, 2016 and 2021.

Btw, nobody considered many of Lebron's super-teams to be favorites but they should've been.. The 2012 Heat should've been heavy favorites over baby Wesbrick but Lebron's weak brand of ball yields weak chemistry, strategy/coaching, and therefore underdogs regardless of cast.

Do you think Jordan QUIT, or was SUSPENDED?

[Phoenix]

I'm convinced the OP is A.I. Insidehoops was ahead of the curve.

[ShawkFactory]

Oh no

[Hey Yo]

Jordan's 20th season stats??

[8Ball]

Jordan year 20 ppgs in the playoffs: 0/0/0

Jordan Age 38 stats: 20/4/4 on 40% vs LeBron 30/8/7 on 50%

[8Ball]

Jordan's 20th season stats??

Cigars smoked: 100
Bodyweight: 250 lbs (overweight for his height)
Miles ran on NBA court: 0

[Lebron23]

Jordan year 20 ppgs in the playoffs: 0/0/0

Jordan Age 38 stats: 20/4/4 on 40% vs LeBron 30/8/7 on 50%

This. Not even close

[3ba11]

This. Not even close

This championship would represent among the worst ring quality of any all-timer and all of Lebron's chips suffer from ring quality because he needed dominant sidekicks to nearly match or lead the scoring for entire Playoff runs or Finals, while also needing stacked super-teams that were manufactured by the NBA and media..

if Jokic can't win with Murray, everyone will say that Jokic isn't good enough, while Lebron's losses are blamed on lack of help - no one considers whether his truckload of lottery seasons or series where he got locked up, upset, or ragdolled is a function of him not being good enough (like Jokic) as opposed to his super-teams not having enough help.. It's a double-standard that overrates lebron historically.

[8Ball]

This championship would represent among the worst ring quality of any all-timer and all of Lebron's chips suffer from ring quality because he needed dominant sidekicks to nearly match or lead the scoring for entire Playoff runs or Finals, while also needing stacked super-teams that were manufactured by the NBA and media..

if Jokic can't win with Murray, everyone will say that Jokic isn't good enough, while Lebron's losses are blamed on lack of help - no one considers whether his truckload of lottery seasons or series where he got locked up, upset, or ragdolled is a function of him not being good enough (like Jokic) as opposed to his super-teams not having enough help.. It's a double-standard that overrates lebron historically.

Jordan year 20 ppgs in the playoffs: 0/0/0

Jordan Age 38 stats: 20/4/4 on 40% vs LeBron 30/8/7 on 50%


After having played 7 more full seasons of basketball LeBron still outperforms Jordan at age 38.

[3ba11]

Jordan year 20 ppgs in the playoffs: 0/0/0

Jordan Age 38 stats: 20/4/4 on 40% vs LeBron 30/8/7 on 50%


After having played 7 more full seasons of basketball LeBron still outperforms Jordan at age 38.

^^^ that isn't GOAT-caliber - who cares that some fossil is getting carried to a chip

23 ppg doesn't compare to Jordan's 6 chips

and next year is the season to compare Lebron to Wizards Jordan - Lebron is nearly a year younger than 39-year old MJ in 2002

Ultimately, Jordan has 6 titles that are like Wade's 2006 chip - complete domination - Lebron's chips pale by comparison and this chip is the biggest joke ever.. 23 ppg isn't goat-caliber.

[SouBeachTalents]

^^^ that isn't GOAT-caliber - who cares that some fossil is getting carried to a chip

23 ppg doesn't compare to Jordan's 6 chips

and next year is the season to compare Lebron to Wizards Jordan - Lebron is nearly a year younger than 39-year old MJ in 2002

Ultimately, Jordan has 6 titles that are like Wade's 2006 chip - complete domination - Lebron's chips pale by comparison and this chip is the biggest joke ever.. 23 ppg isn't goat-caliber.

So you can’t compare a 38 year old to a 39 year old. Jesus Christ, you are so full of shit Guess we can only compare players when they’re exactly the same age.

[Hey Yo]

^^^ that isn't GOAT-caliber - who cares that some fossil is getting carried to a chip

23 ppg doesn't compare to Jordan's 6 chips

and next year is the season to compare Lebron to Wizards Jordan - Lebron is nearly a year younger than 39-year old MJ in 2002

Ultimately, Jordan has 6 titles that are like Wade's 2006 chip - complete domination - Lebron's chips pale by comparison and this chip is the biggest joke ever.. 23 ppg isn't goat-caliber.

Jordan year 20 ppgs in the playoffs: 0/0/0

Jordan Age 38 stats: 20/4/4 on 40% vs LeBron 30/8/7 on 50%