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Re: Denver in 5 or sweep
Originally Posted by kawhileonard2
Lakers are so stacked though, they don't need Lebron at all to win. They have enough firepower to win even when LeShrivel is in chuck up bricks/dead weight mode.
It's the Lakers series to lose. The Nuggets have been playing well as a team though, so hopefully it will be a competitive series.
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Re: Denver in 5 or sweep
Originally Posted by NBAGOAT
How will denver take away ad from rim more than nuggets. Warriors do play some non shooters but take more 3s and have the goat shooting backcourt. Nuggets have shooters around jokic but he mostly plays in the paint still
AD will be consumed by Jokic and won't be able to wander wherever he wants on defense like he did against Dray or Looney (non-threats)
And Jokic often starts out higher with hand-offs and such
Btw, Murray is a dominant player compared to Klay, who wasn't a viable option.. The Warriors were literally a 1-man team with Wiggins declining to a 15 ppg player and Klay can't hit the broadside of a barn anymore.. Of course there's no Poole party - he never finished his development - something stunted it.. Again, it was a 1-man team led by a 35-year old - that's what the Lakers barely outscored
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Re: Denver in 5 or sweep
Originally Posted by AlternativeAcc.
The game isn't played 1 on 1 and Lakers switch everything
He will not be literally guarded by dlo and Reaves all game.
So what's the excuse when the Nuggets lose? You're gonna claim AD is Kareem again?
Each of the top 20 PER's of all-time won titles - Jokic is the only guy that hasn't - he's due and this is the year.
You guys are underrating a guy that was about to win 3 straight MVP's and his PER is currently equal to 1991 MJ.. This isn't 2020 Jokic - this is 1991 MJ
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Embiid > Jokic
Re: Denver in 5 or sweep
Originally Posted by 3ba11
Each of the top 20 PER's of all-time won titles - Jokic is the only guy that hasn't - he's due and this is the year.
You guys are underrating a guy that was about to win 3 straight MVP's and his PER is currently equal to 1991 MJ.. This isn't 2020 Jokic - this is 1991 MJ
If the Lakers win this series, let's see how he tries to spin 38 year old LeBron beating 1991 Jordan lol.
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NBA rookie of the year
Re: Denver in 5 or sweep
Originally Posted by 3ba11
Each of the top 20 PER's of all-time won titles - Jokic is the only guy that hasn't - he's due and this is the year.
You guys are underrating a guy that was about to win 3 straight MVP's and his PER is currently equal to 1991 MJ.. This isn't 2020 Jokic - this is 1991 MJ
Respect
You're actually making a prediction predicated on someone else's greatness and not just shitting on LeBron.
It's obviously wrong and you will look foolish, but I do respect this approach much more
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NBA rookie of the year
Re: Denver in 5 or sweep
Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents
If the Lakers win this series, let's see how he tries to spin 38 year old LeBron beating 1991 Jordan lol.
"Davis > Kareem.. I've seen enough!"
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Re: Denver in 5 or sweep
Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents
If the Lakers win this series, let's see how he tries to spin 38 year old LeBron beating 1991 Jordan lol.
You should already know that the only way Lebron has EVER won is by having more help than MJ ever had and having teammates to nearly match or lead the scoring
But the issue is that Lebron and AD barely mustered 20-25 ppg against weaker opposition (Warriors).. If they were just playing possum and can average 25-30 to match Murray/Jokic, then the Lakers have a chance.. But even if they do that, the Lakers must overcome their 5th through 7th best players splitting minutes and impact compared to the Nuggets' mainstays.. It's an inherent disadvantage the Lakers have at the 5th through 7th spots due to over-stacked-ness over over-manufacturing the resume
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It is what it is
Re: Denver in 5 or sweep
No way, the NBA wants LA to advance so they'll get a bunch of friendly calls, it's gonna be a tight series.
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NBA rookie of the year
Re: Denver in 5 or sweep
Originally Posted by TheMan
No way, the NBA wants LA to advance so they'll get a bunch of friendly calls, it's gonna be a tight series.
Lakers FTA in game 3-4 will be numerous, and they will likely win both games at home and the media will sell a line of sh!t to the programmable suckers placing bets from the SoCal region, to get them all hype for games 5 and 6, when “do the lakers now have the momentum?” Line, then let their Vegas friends laugh all the way to the bank in game 5 & 6.
Denver in 6.
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It is what it is
Re: Denver in 5 or sweep
Originally Posted by BarberSchool
Lakers FTA in game 3-4 will be numerous, and they will likely win both games at home and the media will sell a line of sh!t to the programmable suckers placing bets from the SoCal region, to get them all hype for games 5 and 6, when “do the lakers now have the momentum?” Line, then let their Vegas friends laugh all the way to the bank in game 5 & 6.
Denver in 6.
I think it goes 7, each team winning at home. If Jokic owns AD, it might end in 6 but Denver winning in LA with the refs doing their best to keep LA in it will be tough to overcome...and it's not a conspiracy nut theory either, it has happened before (LA vs SAC).
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NBA rookie of the year
Re: Denver in 5 or sweep
^Also with LA & Portland just seasons prior to SAC getting totally screwed by the league.
Originally Posted by 3ba11
Each of the top 20 PER's of all-time won titles - Jokic is the only guy that hasn't - he's due and this is the year.
You guys are underrating a guy that was about to win 3 straight MVP's and his PER is currently equal to 1991 MJ.. This isn't 2020 Jokic - this is 1991 MJ
very underrated point.
I would be curious to know what the percentage of “top 20 all time” in other statistical categories have also won titles that same season …. Particularly how many from amongst the big traditional metrics: top 20 scoring seasons ever, top 20 assist seasons ever, etc
Last edited by BarberSchool; 05-14-2023 at 12:23 AM.
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Bran Fam Member
Re: Denver in 5 or sweep
Lakers have 2 of the 3 best players in the series, the better defense and they have better depth off the bench. The only way Denver wins in 4-5 is if AD gets injured early in the series.
Originally Posted by 3ba11
Each of the top 20 PER's of all-time won titles - Jokic is the only guy that hasn't - he's due and this is the year.
You guys are underrating a guy that was about to win 3 straight MVP's and his PER is currently equal to 1991 MJ.. This isn't 2020 Jokic - this is 1991 MJ
You could have made the same argument for Lebron in 2011 and he ended up losing. It doesn't work that way. Jokic is probably the best player in the series but he's going up against a really good team that has some advantages over his.
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Euros rule NBA, UMAD?
Re: Denver in 5 or sweep
Originally Posted by ImKobe
You could have made the same argument for Lebron in 2011 and he ended up losing. It doesn't work that way. Jokic is probably the best player in the series but he's going up against a really good team that has some advantages over his.
Didn't you say in another thread that AD is arguably the best player in the league? If thats your position how is Joker the best player in the seres ( he is, but that contradicts your sentiments on AD)?
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NBA All-star
Re: Denver in 5 or sweep
Originally Posted by 3ba11
AD will be consumed by Jokic and won't be able to wander wherever he wants on defense like he did against Dray or Looney (non-threats)
And Jokic often starts out higher with hand-offs and such
Btw, Murray is a dominant player compared to Klay, who wasn't a viable option.. The Warriors were literally a 1-man team with Wiggins declining to a 15 ppg player and Klay can't hit the broadside of a barn anymore.. Of course there's no Poole party - he never finished his development - something stunted it.. Again, it was a 1-man team led by a 35-year old - that's what the Lakers barely outscored
These playoffs jokic has been playing in low post way more. Also you didn’t watch the lakers series, they put ad on Wiggins quite often so gs couldn’t spam curry dray pnrs and ad often had to guard on the perimeter because of curry
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Re: Denver in 5 or sweep
Originally Posted by Phoenix
Didn't you say in another thread that AD is arguably the best player in the league? If thats your position how is Joker the best player in the seres ( he is, but that contradicts your sentiments on AD)?
Well duh, Jokic is obviously on that level. It's not like I said that AD is the best player in the league and it's not close. You could argue for Jokic or Giannis or Embiid or Curry as well, depending on your bias and what you value most.
Match-up wise I think Jokic should have the better numbers since so much of Denver's offense revolves around him, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Lakers dominated with AD leading the way in scoring like we saw in the bubble, where he averaged 31.2 ppg on 67%TS in the WCF.
Jokic has the ball a lot more on offense so he's going to have the better averages on paper, but when you watch the games you're going to see how much impact Davis has on the defensive side.
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