What is the obsession with fans wanting chuckers to have “their own team?”

[FultzNationRISE]

No one said Jordan Poole and Jaylen Brown need their own team.

Westbrook never had his own team.

Durant, Carmelo were obviously well right to have it. So was Harden. It completely transformed him as a player and his life.

Harden is universally considered the quintessential example of a bad leader and a loser.

But if you think winning an MVP award thru stat padding compensates it, youre completely entitled to that perspective. Theres no wrong answer. I just dont understand people seeing it that way.

[FultzNationRISE]

No, we want to see just how good they are when they are “the man”. Who goes to levels we never thought they’d go (harden,tmac,brunson,ect) and who would fall flat (Lin,Ariza,Stephenson,ect)

Fair enough. You want to see how many ppg an individual can score in another setting, even tho thats not the point of the game.

Luka and Brunson made the Conf Finals in the West last year. This year the best they could do separately was divisional round in the East.

But hey, we got to watch them both get a bigger share of shots.

Fair enough.

[warriorfan]

Harden is universally considered the quintessential example of a bad leader and a loser.

But if you think winning an MVP award thru stat padding compensates it, youre completely entitled to that perspective. Theres no wrong answer. I just dont understand people seeing it that way.

The majority of Lebron’s legacy is built on stat padding.

Once you go beyond the stat padding he won two championships while joining with a top dog who already had a solo FMVP of his own

An Adam Silver tainted ring

And a bubble ring with Anthony Davis

When you remove stats from the equation…. he hasn’t had that amazing of a career

[Mask the Embiid]

Fair enough. You want to see how many ppg an individual can score in another setting, even tho thats not the point of the game.

Luka and Brunson made the Conf Finals in the West last year. This year the best they could do separately was divisional round in the East.

But hey, we got to watch them both get a bigger share of shots.

Fair enough.

It’s never been about rings…hate to break it to you


And no Luka couldn’t make the playoffs without him! Let’s speak facts…!!!! We speak facts in here! But nice try in trying to group their separate accomplishments this season together…


Luka couldn’t even sniff the playoffs without Brunson


Brunson made it to the 2nd round


Those are not the same. One is trending up the other is a stat padding loser who’s arrow is pointing down

[ArbitraryWater]

Harden is universally considered the quintessential example of a bad leader and a loser.

But if you think winning an MVP award thru stat padding compensates it, youre completely entitled to that perspective. Theres no wrong answer. I just dont understand people seeing it that way.

Well when you numb down 65-win 1st seed seasons on a team that played at a 71-win rate with Harden and Paul together and gave perhaps the most talented team of all time a run for their money before said sidekick got injured to "stat padding", you might understand that you are the problem.

[FultzNationRISE]

No, we want to see just how good they are when they are “the man”. Who goes to levels we never thought they’d go (harden,tmac,brunson,ect) and who would fall flat (Lin,Ariza,Stephenson,ect)


We just want to see how great some of these people are when they aren’t playing behind someone. Yes, I would like to see how good a Haliburton is when he is not in Fox’s shadow. What can I say.. if that makes us weird then hey we are weird

But my point is, if theyre both playing the right way, neither is gonna hold the other back. Do you think Jokic is holding anyone back? Murray still drops 40 point games, if he went somewhere else to drop more of them hed never make the playoffs and would have a miserable career.

If one star is being “held back” by another, at least one of them is not really a star. If a guy doesnt have any value besides padded point totals, hes not the star you guys think he is.

People still see basketball as a one on one competition between a team’s leading point scorers.

Expand your mind boys.

[Mask the Embiid]

But my point is, if theyre both playing the right way, neither is gonna hold the other back. Do you think Jokic is holding anyone back? Murray still drops 40 point games, if he went somewhere else to drop more of them hed never make the playoffs and would have a miserable career.

If one star is being “held back” by another, at least one of them is not really a star. If a guy doesnt have any value besides padded point totals, hes not the star you guys think he is.

People still see basketball as a one on one competition between a team’s leading point scorers.

Expand your mind boys.

Grant believed jokic was holding him back…he took less money to see how good he really was and set out on his own. It’s no shame in that.

[iamgine]

Who told OP Jordan Poole need his own team?

[FultzNationRISE]

The majority of Lebron’s legacy is built on stat padding.

Once you go beyond the stat padding he won two championships while joining with a top dog who already had a solo FMVP of his own

An Adam Silver tainted ring

And a bubble ring with Anthony Davis

When you remove stats from the equation…. he hasn’t had that amazing of a career

Simply not true.

Lebron’s legacy is transforming the game from the post-MJ iso chuckfest era where every team thought the key was finding the next “balla” like Starbury or Dariu$ Milez, to team oriented, defensive minded, professional basketball.

Lebrons teammates often got paid big by other teams even tho they sucked, cuz he lifted their value. His teams all had great camaraderie and chemistry. Lebron passed the ball and played defense, he didnt gun for 40 every game without caring who won, the way a clown like Dilbert Arenas did. There are people still today that think Arenas was a VALUABLE basketball player and not just a side show loser, bc they simply cant comprehend anything beyond “scored teh lots of p0ints!!!.”

So many fans love the sparkling attractions, the hero shots, the exciting but unreliable scoring binges, the dancing or mean mugging after dunks.

But then they never figure out why all the players they like keep losing.

[ArbitraryWater]

Who told OP Jordan Poole need his own team?

right, the premise doesnt make sense to begin with.

[90sgoat]

Ideally there would be a cap on how much each individual player could score in a game.

And dribbling shouldn't be allowed.

[tpols]

Don't you ever.... ever... compare Jaylen Brown to Jordan POOLE.

We are going to have to have a discussion in the parking lot if you do it again.

[FultzNationRISE]

Don't you ever.... ever... compare Jaylen Brown to Jordan POOLE.

We are going to have to have a discussion in the parking lot if you do it again.

They have both been recipients of the “he needs his own team” assertion.

Yet neither is any better than Damian Lillard and would achieve absolutely nothing on their “own team.”

But somehow people thinks its important for those guys to do more hero ball.

[warriorfan]

Simply not true.

Lebron’s legacy is transforming the game from the post-MJ iso chuckfest era where every team thought the key was finding the next “balla” like Starbury or Dariu$ Milez, to team oriented, defensive minded, professional basketball.

Lebrons teammates often got paid big by other teams even tho they sucked, cuz he lifted their value. His teams all had great camaraderie and chemistry. Lebron passed the ball and played defense, he didnt gun for 40 every game without caring who won, the way a clown like Dilbert Arenas did. There are people still today that think Arenas was a VALUABLE basketball player and not just a side show loser, bc they simply cant comprehend anything beyond “scored teh lots of p0ints!!!.”

So many fans love the sparkling attractions, the hero shots, the exciting but unreliable scoring binges, the dancing or mean mugging after dunks.

But then they never figure out why all the players they like keep losing.

bron got shitty players inflated contracts because he’s an awful pseudo-GM and wants to get his boys paid. The shitty contracts dont bother him because he already planned his next exit so he can just jump ship when the team’s cap space has gone to hell and they have no more usable assets.

[tpols]

They have both been recipients of the “he needs his own team” assertion.

Theyre both worse than Damian Lillard and would achieve absolutely nothing on their “own team.”

But somehow people thinks its important for those guys to do more hero ball.

You're underrating Brown. He's a legit 2way All Star talent.

A better comparison for poole would be Clarkson or jamal crawford.