LeBron will never be top 5

[2ball]

LeBron's game isn't top 5 due to weak jumpshooting skill and ball movement, which results in weak fits with various player types and a low ceiling on team offense.. ultimately, the overall team ceiling is lower - 0.400 teams on the championship level... aka the "clippers of the Finals"

For example, his Heat and Cavs super-teams should've been 70-win juggernauts, but his playground brand reduced them to longshot underdogs in nearly every Finals.

Ultimately, when you opt to cheat over compete, that's worthy of a banishment of sorts - and he isn't SO outstanding (significant holes to his game and resume) that he requires top 5 no matter what (regardless of the cheating)

So there's nothing he can do except the following miracle:

win a ring in a fashion that shows your holes (jumpshooting skill, ball movement) are fixed and now elite/all-time.. so basically impossible.

[warriorfan]

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/wa...hen-smith-says


Bron is getting knocked off his Mount Rushmore

SAS is a low key bron stan too. He’s still not close to top 5 with more knowledged basketball guys.

[TheMan]

Wassup 3ball...I would argue that Bran does have arguments to be top 5. Best ever though? Lol, no.

[warriorfan]

Love stats Pre-LeBron - [COLOR="Lime"]26/13/2/59% TS[/COLOR]

Bosh stats Pre-LeBron - [COLOR="lime"]24/11/2/59% TS[/COLOR]

Pau stats Pre-Kobe - [COLOR="Red"]19/8/3/59% TS[/COLOR]

It's safe to say that Kevin Love and Chris Bosh were better than Pau Gasol before they joined with their new teams

LeBron needed Bosh and Love as third options when he won

Kobe had Paul Gasol as a second option when he won

[Axe]

Stupid dumbocrats.

[Phoenix]

How is 'the Clippers of the finals' a thing when they've never made the finals?

[1987_Lakers]

Only a retard would have Curry ranked ahead of LeBron, even if Curry gets his 5th ring this year. Imagine if LeBron won 2 of his rings playing next to peak KD, and didn't FMVP in any of those title runs. This board would roast him non stop.

[tpols]

Only a retard would have Curry ranked ahead of LeBron, even if Curry gets his 5th ring this year. Imagine if LeBron won 2 of his rings playing next to peak KD, and didn't FMVP in any of those title runs. This board would roast him non stop.

Lebron won 3/4 of his rings with Wade and AD which is even worse. Imagine him winning with Wiggins as 2nd option.

What makes the comparison lopsided though is Curry never lost with KD while lebron lost with prime / peak Wade.

[3ba11]

How is 'the Clippers of the finals' a thing when they've never made the finals?

The Clippers are widely considered the worst regular season team ever, so being the "clippers of the Finals" means that your skillset yields the worst teams in Finals history (worst-ever record in Finals history for 3-point era)

Btw, everyone laughed when I said Curry is top 5 all-time along with other expert jumpshooters (the skillset that needs the least help).. Now Stephen A is saying Curry will be top 5 too, aka after the fact

[1987_Lakers]

Imagine him winning with Wiggins as 2nd option.

That was basically the case in 2013, except Wade wasn't locking down people like Wiggins was.

[tpols]

That was basically the case in 2013, except Wade wasn't locking down people like Wiggins was.

If you want to compare Wade to Wiggins as talents you've obviously lost your basketball mind.

Fit and chemistry matter.

[3ba11]

That was basically the case in 2013, except Wade wasn't locking down people like Wiggins was.

Lebron always needed all-timers at sidekick and no one needed to do much because the 13' Heat were a stacked super-team with 3 first options - Lebron only needed 25 ppg and Wade 20 in the Finals - neither guy needed to produce at an elite level to win the diluted East or beat the West

[1987_Lakers]

no one had to do much because the 13' Heat were a stacked super-team with 3 first options - Lebron only needed 25 ppg and Wade 20 in the Finals - neither guy needed to produce at an elite level to win the diluted East or beat the West

You called LeBron the GOAT in another forum in 2013.

[1987_Lakers]

If you want to compare Wade to Wiggins as talents you've obviously lost your basketball mind.

Fit and chemistry matter.

'13 playoff Wade & '22 playoff Wiggins were pretty much identical in production. Wade was the better playmaker of the two while Wiggins' defense was better.

[Spurs m8]

Apart from longevity stats, including most turnovers EVER, I fail to see how he's even top 10.

Anyone?