What will Bronsexuals do if AD wins Finals MVP?

[IllegalD]

What will Bronsexuals do if the Lakers win the championship and AD is named Finals MVP?

They'll have to do a whole lot of goalpost shifting, flip-flopping and mental gymnastics after all the sh*t talking about Kobe's first 3 rings with Shaq and about Curry only having 1 Finals MVP for his 4 rings.

Not to mention... Jordan dickriders will forever bring up the fact that MJ was Finals MVP for ALL SIX of his championships...

[ArbitraryWater]

more RS MVP shares, more indicative of best player

[Full Court]

Mental gymnastics and goalpost shifting are what they already do anyway. It'll just be more of the same.

[SouBeachTalents]

Damn, people are really shook after last night, already preemptively using damage control for a potential event that's still THREE rounds away

AD SHOULD be FMVP over LeBron, he's 29, LeBron's 38. The fact you think this should be construed as some negative against him just shows he's held to legitimately unprecedented standards. I can assure you 38 year old Jordan wouldn't be winning FMVP over a superstar at his peak either.

[tpols]

Damn, people are really shook after last night, already preemptively using damage control for a potential event that's still THREE rounds away

AD SHOULD be FMVP over LeBron, he's 29, LeBron's 38. The fact you think this should be construed as some negative against him just shows he's held to legitimately unprecedented standards. I can assure you 38 year old Jordan wouldn't be winning FMVP over a superstar at his peak either.

Nah not really because you guys treated kobe like shit for not winning it when he was almost a teenager and shaq was a grown 30 year old man.

[DMAVS41]

Nah not really because you guys treated kobe like shit for not winning it when he was almost a teenager and shaq was a grown 30 year old man.

No, nobody actually did that. You just think it was "hate" to not give Kobe as much credit as Shaq for those early titles because you are/were a delusional Kobe fan.

Also, Kobe was 21 and in his 4th season in 2000 when they won their first ring. Kobe's playoff averages were 21/5/4 (52% TS) with finals averages of 16/5/4 (41% TS)

It will be interesting to see if Lebron puts up similar production and wins the title...will you want to give him as much credit as you wanted Kobe to get for his 00 ring?

We all know the answer...you would be on here 24/7 laughing at Lebron if he won the title averaging 16 points per game on horrible efficiency. And that, my friend, is an actual double standard...

[RRR3]

Kobetards are apparently too stupid to realize they’ll lose the only argument for Kobe they have if this happens

Not that he has had an argument in years.

[tpols]

No, nobody actually did that.

Yes they absolutely did. Kobe had superstar production for two of those rings and people used to just say he was carried by shaq. What planet are you living on?

will you want to give him as much credit as you wanted Kobe to get for his 00 ring?

That's about what he would deserve. Which most people said for Kobe meant nothing for his individual legacy.

[DMAVS41]

Yes they absolutely did. Kobe had superstar production for two of those rings and people used to just say he was carried by shaq. What planet are you living on?




That's about what he would deserve. Which most people said for Kobe meant nothing for his individual legacy.

He was carried by Shaq at times. Shaq was clearly a better and more valuable player....that was the rational and objective position. Of course there were haters, like you, that wanted 0 credit...but again, that is you...that is what you do with Lebron. Arguing nonsense about all the time.

Yes, Kobe had superstar production overall...but so did a lot of other superstars...and when Kobe can shoot 49% TS for a series like he did in 02 against an elite Kings team...and still win...people are going to rightly note that. This is what Kobe fans don't understand. If he literally played at his same level from 00 through 02 in those series...he's at most winning 1 title even with very good help historically. He needed peak Shaq to win 2 of those titles.

He was simply not good enough in 00 and in 02...his performance in the Kings series wasn't awful, but wasn't nearly good enough to win without an all-time great at his side...and even then it would have likely not happened. You swap out Shaq for KG and the Lakers probably lose in 5 or 6.

Again, these were the correct opinions at the time...and no amount of nonsense from you is going to change it 20 years later.

[tpols]

I've always maintained there are superstar rings, All Star rings, and then role player rings.

Kobe in the 2001 and 2002 playoffs was a superstar NBA player. You cherry picking one series doesn't change what he did in those runs.

Kobe in 2000 was a lesser All Star / All NBA caliber player which is still really good but matters less in GOAT debates against guys who have handfuls of superstar rings. You again though cherry picked a series where he broke his ankle and had to exit games which affected averages tremendously. Again.... extremely disingenuous take but ill let it slide.

The overall point is if LeBron wins playing how he looked in that grizz series all playoffs long... that's a 2nd degree ring just like 2000 Kobe.

So they would be tied in career results. 4 superstar rings a piece and one All Star / All NBA ring. But Kobe didn't need to team hop with nearly as much talent to win so we'd still have to give him the slight edge.

[DMAVS41]

I've always maintained there are superstar rings, All Star rings, and then role player rings.

Kobe in 2001 and 2002 was a superstar NBA player. You cherry picking one series doesn't change what he did in those runs.

Kobe in 2000 was a lesser All Star / All NBA caliber player which is still really good but matters less in GOAT debates against guys who have handfuls of superstar rings. You again though cherry picked a series where he broke his ankle and had to exit games which affected averages tremendously. Again.... extremely disingenuous take but ill let it slide.

The overall point is if LeBron wins playing how he looked in that grizz series all playoffs long... that's a 2nd degree ring just like 2000 Kobe.

So they would be tied in career results. 4 superstar rings a piece and one All Star / All NBA ring. But Kobe didn't need to team hop with nearly as much talent to win so we'd still have to give him the slight edge.

It isn't cherry picking when the difference in winning/losing the title comes down to having one of the 10 best players of all-time at his peak to pick up the slack. Getting hurt doesn't somehow make you better. Kobe's contribution to that series was what it was...and they still won...if he had less help...they don't win...what is confusing about this? This was and remains the only rational position when you aren't the clear cut best player on the team...making a huge deal out of winning when you have stacked the deck...like Kobe/Shaq...or Lebron/Wade/Bosh...or Durant/Curry/Klay/Dray...it just doesn't mean as much.

We already knew/know all those guys are great...it is about how great...and you don't learn much about Kobe in 02 when he can still win a title playing no better than a bunch of other stars were capable of back then. Same thing if Lebron had won in 11...was it really supposed to mean something if he played like ass and still won because Wade/Bosh were so good to pick up the slack? Of course not...everyone actually knows this shit...they just over-rate things that help them argue for their favorite player.

This is why people like you always clung to titles, but now really can't because of how certain things have played out.

I do agree that Lebron winning a ring playing like he currently is...is less valuable than a Kobe 09 ring or a Lebron 13 ring. Again though...literally everyone already bakes that in...

And, in case you aren't aware, nobody debates Lebron vs Kobe anymore...that shit ended years ago...Lebron deserves to be known as a tier or two higher player/career.

[RRR3]

It isn't cherry picking when the difference in winning/losing the title comes down to having one of the 10 best players of all-time at his peak to pick up the slack. Getting hurt doesn't somehow make you better. Kobe's contribution to that series was what it was...and they still won...if he had less help...they don't win...what is confusing about this?

This is why people like you always clung to titles, but now really can't because of how certain things have played out.

I do agree that Lebron winning a ring playing like he currently is...is less valuable than a Kobe 09 ring or a Lebron 13 ring. Again though...literally everyone already bakes that in...

And, in case you aren't aware, nobody debates Lebron vs Kobe anymore...that shit ended years ago...Lebron deserves to be known as a tier or two higher player/career.

5 RANGZ!!!!! It’s all that have left

Also hilarious we just count 2002 for Kobe when that was confirmed as being rigged for the Lakers

[tpols]

Nah... one thing I never do is hate on somebody for getting truly injured. If somebody broke Lebrons ankle... I wouldn't use his averages in that series to define his level as a player. That's scumbag reasoning.

In 2000 the Blazers were by far the Lakers toughest competition and Kobe came through very well there when shaq was having a down series for his standards. Indiana was a huge underdog and formality.

[ShawkFactory]

What will Bronsexuals do if the Lakers win the championship and AD is named Finals MVP?

They'll have to do a whole lot of goalpost shifting, flip-flopping and mental gymnastics after all the sh*t talking about Kobe's first 3 rings with Shaq and about Curry only having 1 Finals MVP for his 4 rings.

Not to mention... Jordan dickriders will forever bring up the fact that MJ was Finals MVP for ALL SIX of his championships...

It would be infinitely worse for you if he does win FMVP than it would be for Bron fans if the Lakers win and he doesn’t.

I’d wager you’d never post on here again if that happened.

[FKAri]

2023 and it's still Kobe stans vs LeBron stans on ISH.