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    Default A closer look at two narratives

    Let's have a look at two popular narratives:
    1. 90s was physical, not much fouls called
    2. LeBron flops to get calls

    Let's look at 98 & 2020 Finals, specifically FTA.

    Jordan 70
    Malone 38

    LeBron 42
    Butler 53

    Oh dear me, facts don't fit the narratives.

    Quick, eye test! For the love of God, eye test!

    Not only are the narratives on shaky ground, it appears Pippen's side kick got preferential treatment. LeBron is exactly the opposite, with Butler getting more foul calls.

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    Wassup TheGoatest.

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    Low IQ Bran stan strikes again. Jordan had one of the highest usage rates in Finals history (only Bran in 2015 was higher) and averaged 33.5 out of the Bulls' 88 ppg in that series (38% of their total scoring vs 27% for Lebron in 2020), of course he got more FTs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImKobe View Post
    Low IQ Bran stan strikes again. Jordan had one of the highest usage rates in Finals history (only Bran in 2015 was higher) and averaged 33.5 out of the Bulls' 88 ppg in that series (38% of their total scoring vs 27% for Lebron in 2020), of course he got more FTs.
    Oh dear. I sense panic in Eye Test Land

    Jordan's FTA is almost twice of Malone's. Did Jordan score twice as much as Malone? Nah. 25 vs 33.

    Malone score 25.0 of the Jazz's 80.2 points. That's over 31% of the Jazz's points. Did Jordan score 60%+ of the Bulls points? Nope.

    In 2020, LeBron's usage was 29.0%, significantly higher than Butler's 25.4. And yet, Butler gets 26%+ more free throws. Uh, oh. It's dem pesky facts again.

    Quick! For the love of God, save the precious narratives!

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    Wassup TheGoatest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Wassup TheGoatest.


    I'm actually a new guy here. TheGoatest seems cool, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by basketballcat View Post
    Oh dear. I sense panic in Eye Test Land

    Jordan's FTA is almost twice of Malone's. Did Jordan score twice as much as Malone? Nah. 25 vs 33.

    Malone score 25.0 of the Jazz's 80.2 points. That's over 31% of the Jazz's points. Did Jordan score 60%+ of the Bulls points? Nope.

    In 2020, LeBron's usage was 29.0%, significantly higher than Butler's 25.4. And yet, Butler gets 26%+ more free throws. Uh, oh. It's dem pesky facts again.

    Quick! For the love of God, save the precious narratives!
    You haven't watched the series outside of Jordan's game-winner and you don't know that the Bulls were one of the least fouling teams in the league while the Jazz were the 3rd worst at it. Also, the Jazz weren't a great defensive team while the Bulls were one of the best in the game. Malone also had over twice as many TOs as Jordan and wasn't shooting nearly as much so of course MJ got way more FTs as the Jazz couldn't stop him without fouling. Keep parroting meaningless numbers thinking you have any idea how the sport is played though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImKobe View Post
    You haven't watched the series outside of Jordan's game-winner and you don't know that the Bulls were one of the least fouling teams in the league while the Jazz were the 3rd worst at it. Also, the Jazz weren't a great defensive team while the Bulls were one of the best in the game. Malone also had over twice as many TOs as Jordan and wasn't shooting nearly as much so of course MJ got way more FTs as the Jazz couldn't stop him without fouling. Keep parroting meaningless numbers thinking you have any idea how the sport is played though.
    Wrong again, bucko.

    Bruh, in the regular season, the Jazz were the 2nd most fouled team in the NBA. All of a sudden, the refs swallow their whistles for Pippen's side kick. Malone gets over 10 FTA a game. Over 6 games, we would have expected at least 60. He got less than 2/3 of that in favour of the manufactured superstar. All that jostling with Rodman with barely any calls.

    In fact, it's an established pattern. Pippen Lite averages 8.2 FTA in the regular season but it jumps to 9.9 in the playoffs. LeBron gets 8.9 FTA in the playoffs. That from a guy whose main offensive move is a strong drive to the basket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by basketballcat View Post
    Wrong again, bucko.

    Bruh, in the regular season, the Jazz were the 2nd most fouled team in the NBA. All of a sudden, the refs swallow their whistles for Pippen's side kick. Malone gets over 10 FTA a game. Over 6 games, we would have expected at least 60. He got less than 2/3 of that in favour of the manufactured superstar. All that jostling with Rodman with barely any calls.

    In fact, it's an established pattern. Pippen Lite averages 8.2 FTA in the regular season but it jumps to 9.9 in the playoffs. LeBron gets 8.9 FTA in the playoffs. That from a guy whose main offensive move is a strong drive to the basket.
    Again, you're just showing how stupid you are. Bulls had an elite defense and were one of the least fouling teams in the league. Malone struggled taking care of the ball which is why he was not as effective. This is what happens when you play against a real defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImKobe View Post
    Again, you're just showing how stupid you are. Bulls had an elite defense and were one of the least fouling teams in the league. Malone struggled taking care of the ball which is why he was not as effective. This is what happens when you play against a real defense.
    That was pure eye test. Love it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by basketballcat View Post
    That was pure eye test. Love it.
    Pure eye test when Malone had 45 less shot attempts with over twice as many TOs as MJ, sure lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImKobe View Post
    Pure eye test when Malone had 45 less shot attempts with over twice as many TOs as MJ, sure lol.
    Oh dear, the deranged "I waTchEd thE GaME" eye tests continues.

    LeBron had 19 more attempts and yet Butler shot 11 more FTs.

    Quick, man! The narratives ... they are failing

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    "Bu-bu-bu-bu-but Jordan can't possibly be the GOAT because he shot more free throws than Malone!!! "



    Try this on for size, GoatTits: You can't be the GOAT if you led a super team to the lottery.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tontoz View Post
    OP does not like watching plays, he just likes the boxscores, so no GIFs please lol

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