Who are the top 10 players in the nba (no order so no agenda is needed)

[Real Men Wear Green]

Neither EPM or RAPTOR support Brown being a much better defender.

I'm an eye test guy. I don't know what math formula goes into things like EPM and RAPTOR. Most of the people that talk about them don't know what they're based on either. I took one look at the math behind PER and I was done with advanced statistics.

[1987_Lakers]

Jaylen Brown is having a better season than Lebron James. Carry on.

[Manny98]

Giannis
Jokic
Embiid
LeBron
KD
Luka
Kawhi
AD
Butler
Curry

[RRR3]

I'm an eye test guy. I don't know what math formula goes into things like EPM and RAPTOR. Most of the people that talk about them don't know what they're based on either. I took one look at the math behind PER and I was done with advanced statistics.

EPM is based lineup data not box score stats like PER. It matches my eye test for the most part too. www.dunksandthrees.com/epm see for yourself for the most part it’s incredibly accurate with only a few outliers.

[Manny98]

Jaylen Brown is having a better season than Lebron James. Carry on.

[Xiao Yao You]

Suns better without Paul on the floor as well. Might be time to stop including him on these lists. Had a nice run

[Xiao Yao You]

Giannis
Jokic
Embiid
LeBron
KD
Luka
Kawhi
AD
Butler
Curry

where's Mitchell?

[Real Men Wear Green]

EPM is based lineup data not box score stats like PER. It matches my eye test for the most part too. www.dunksandthrees.com/epm see for yourself for the most part it’s incredibly accurate with only a few outliers.

That's nice but I still have no idea how they come up with the number.

[Xiao Yao You]

That's nice but I still have no idea how they come up with the number.

neither does he

[Manny98]

where's Mitchell?

Top 15

[Xiao Yao You]

Top 15

top 15 on the Cavs anyway.

[Manny98]

Suns better without Paul on the floor as well. Might be time to stop including him on these lists. Had a nice run

You're an idiot you're using a stat that you don't have a half clue what it actually means

[aj1987]

By the end of the season Brown silk most likely have played in over 20 more games and is a much better defender.

He might be a better defender, but he's a significantly worse offensive player and the difference in defense doesn't make up for it. LeBron has him beat at literally almost everything. Basic and advanced stats.

LeBron - 29.5 PPG 8.1 RPG 6.9 APG 1.3 SPG 1.1 BPG on 58.3% TS%

Jaylen - 26.7 PPG 6.9 RPG 3.4 APG 1.1 SPG 0.4 BPG on 58.6% TS%

Basic stats, the only thing Brown has on LeBron is a 0.3% advantage in efficiency.

Advanced Stats

LeBron - 3.0 OWS 2.1 DWS 5.0 WS .143 WS/48 5.6 OBPM 0.7 DBPM 6.3 BPM 3.5 VORP +7.5 On/Off 111 ORtg 112 DRtg

Jaylen - 1.9 OWS 3.1 DWS 4.9 WS .106 WS/48 1.8 OBPM -0.2 DBPM 1.6 BPM 2.0 VORP -3.0 On/Off 115 ORtg 113 DRtg

Again, the only thing that Brown has over LeBron is DWS.

As for RPM, LeBron is 4th in the league at 7.68. Brown is 44th with 3.97.

LeBron - 4.75 ORPM 2.94 DRPM 7.68 RPM with 13.89 wins

Brown - 2.11 ORPM 1.86 DRPM 3.97 RPM with 11.86 wins

Looking at NBA's tracking stats, Jaylen Brown has been defending 12.6 shots a game and players are scoring at 47.3%, compared to 47.7% on all other defenders, making him a net positive by 0.4%.

LeBron has been defending 11.9 shots a game and players shoot 46.8% on those shots, compared to 48.7 on all other defenders, making him a net positive by 1.9%. Lets also not forget that Brown plays with significantly better defensive help.

Jaylen Brown is not a better player than LeBron. In the 50 or so games LeBron played this season, he's quite easily been a top 10 player. Jaylen Brown? Nope. Stop it.

actually being on the court should matter

Bojan and Donovan played more games than Gobert last season. I'm assuming you have them ahead of him? How about in 2018 when Donovan played 81 games and Gobert played 56?

[ShawkFactory]

where's Mitchell?

He’s probably in that 11-15 group. Or perhaps just outside of that.

[Real Men Wear Green]

You are completely ignoring the large number of games James had missed. The Lakers are basically trying to make the playoffs without him. I guarantee you don't know any of the math behind the advanced stats that you're quoting and if LA had JB instead of James they would be in 6th place or better.