A collection of wise posts on InsideHoops

[Im Still Ballin]

I have recently gone over some old posts and came across some golden nuggets. I thought I'd make this thread to add these wise posts so I can find them later on. Will add more as time goes on -- it's mainly kblaze posts as of right now.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...1#post14562189

Not dribbling or taking people one on one on your way to 20 a game doesn’t make you a role player. People really seem to believe great basketball playing is exclusively isolation scoring no matter how many scorers clearly contribute less than all around guys. Some of the best ISO players of all time are less useful than a Shawn Marion or AK47 to any number of teams. You need to score…and not let the other team score more. Both are required no matter how little some like to acknowledge.

Guys who can get you like 15-20% of the required points while also defending the entire other team and playing key roles casual fans don’t care about are often more valuable than a guy who scores 20-25% of your required points and makes everything else more difficult…..

Being so good all around and just finding 20 unplanned points laying on the ground all the time is a positive not a negative. A big positive. Not needing plays dedicated to contribute to the scoreboard is amazing. Every coach ln every level wants a guy who can score 20+ without scheming him open and devoting plays to it. If he can also guard Tmac or Dirk and 15 rebounds?

Shiiiit. Coaches dream.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...1#post14562319

The salary cap diminishing the potential pay of stars so they all fall into the same range has nothing to do with the idea that a guy who was 13th in a league of 400 people in scoring while also being one of the better defenders and rebounders is a role player. Shawn Marion was the leading scorer on 2-3 teams. Not a go to scorer but leading one anyway.

You do like 22/12 with elite defense you aren’t a role player just because you don’t dribble much before you score. If getting a team “over the hump” decides who role players are there have been elite scorers who couldn’t.

Hell there are guys in the hall of fame for nothing but their shot creation and scoring who barely scored more than Marion in his prime while doing little else. This modern idea that everyone who isn’t likely to be the best player on a champion is to be belittled is a joke to me.

Given all the running and open shots it’s not impossible Marion could score 24-25 a game right now on an uptempo team. He was scoring 20+ in a slower one just finding baskets(granted in more minutes than he’d play now).

Talking about Tmac and Dirk. Like you have to be a top 15-20 all time offensive talent to not be a role player….

Marion would be the top or second scorer on like 70% of teams in history I bet.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...1#post14562348

Acknowledging the symbiotic relationship between great playmakers and finishers doesn’t mean I think the finishers are role players. Especially when they are the leading scorers on multiple 50+ win teams. Guys who can’t do anything but score often don’t score more than the 18-22 a game prime Marion would give you while being largely useless for any other purpose. The idea he’s a role player while doing 20/11 and being all nba is just symptomatic of the disease of elitism in modern fans. There’s apparently only elite and role players. You see it in all sports. QB throws for 33 touchdown and 7 picks and he’s garbage because he’s not Rodgers or Mahomes.

And here we have people acting like all manner of stars aren’t even good. Like there are two things. All timers and role players.

There are many things. Marion was shy of superstar but a solid deserving all star. Certainly not a role player just because of the method by which he’d score 20ish while not even being a guy who’s best aspect was scoring.

Glenn Robinson couldn’t do shit else and he’s gonna score the same 20 Marion would without needing the ball. Same for a lot of guys who were go to scorers. Marion isn’t what anyones ever considered a role player and that’s just how it is.

He doesn’t attack one on one. That’s all. Considering that most people who do will score less than him in the process and not contribute anything else it’s not much to use against him.

[Im Still Ballin]

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http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...1#post14562415

So you watched the suns lose both 26ppg toe to toe with prime Duncan Amare…and Joe Johnson….then win like 55 games with Marion as their leading scorer…make it exactly as far in the playoffs(after Marion did 30+ a game the last 3 of the second round including a 36/20 game). You see that happen then talk about how you just pack it in without Amare but Marion can be replaced with team efforts. Like…did you miss the Suns replacing their elite scorers with team effort…largely Marion’s?

What are we even talking about?



That “To win a title” shit has to be the most overused analysis in basketball discussion. You aren’t winning a title with most great players and the idea that you can or can’t with this guy or that one is largely just playing the result. Just that when scorers lose people find a way to blame others as if many great scorers aren’t largely responsible for their teams not having the D to win.

You need a team. You can get a good one any number of ways. After that it’s mostly luck and health.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...1#post14562154

Terms like star and role player are fundamentally pretty silly anyway. We all use them to get a point across sometimes, but being a star is irrelevant to value since it’s technically just a measure of fame. Britney Spears was a “star,” but she wasnt a good singer. Also the term role player implies there are non-role players who shouldnt have to be part of the team concept, which is nonsense.

I know I would take prime Marion over prime Melo, despite the overwhelming majority of fans disagreeing because the latter is a “star” and the former is a “role player” and thats all many people can comprehend.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...1#post14035063

Coming off the bench as an obvious HOF talent to make the team better makes you better not worse. We need more like him. Of what relevance is who is listed in the starting lineup when there were times the whole game plan was for him to destroy someone one on one over and over and over and he came through? Being in this lineup or that is not a basketball skill.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...1#post14035162

A jackass could come back with anything.

One year nobody on the Celtics started every game game and 4 of them were hall of famers. Larry Bird came off the bench 20ish games. He had a mild injury and returned as a sixth man and they had what I think was the second longest win streak in nba history with Bird going crazy off the bench playing behind...you guessed it...Kevin Mchale.

Exactly nobody thinks that means anything. You’re talking about shit that means absolutely nothing. Larry Bird rode coach as a top 5 player because the young guys weren’t allowed to fly first class. He came off the bench for a good run because the team was winning that way. He did what he was asked to make the team win and he had the coach who made him do it induct him into the hall of fame.....along with Bill Walton. Another zero ego winner who just did what the team required.


You don’t make the team worse for an empty gesture.....

Chemistry matters. A lot. Plenty of greats rather contribute to winning than rock the boat like an idiot.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...1#post14036028

Everything that results in success is “ok”. Nobody needs to explain why they put ego aside and did what was best for their team. Just stop. A player that talented being willing to do whatever makes him more desirable not less. Every coach in history would agree.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...1#post14528266

The Hakeem and Bird matchup feels like it should be lopsided but it just isn’t. Two supremely skilled players arguably the most skilled in their positions history….but one is also an elite athlete and GOAT tier defender. The better player seems obvious but it just doesn’t work that way on the court all the time. Larry was so much more than the sum of his parts it sounds like hyperbole when you describe it.

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Get off the dudes dick... guy makes some common sense ramblings and you make a thread about it?


Post some lebron quotes and you'd be on to something

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[Im Still Ballin]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...1#post14714946

Knowing your role is def an underrated skill.

There are a lot of guys who are talented but try to do too much, and there are also guys who are talented but dont assert themselves ENOUGH.

Finding the optimal balance that gives your team the most lift is def part of basketball IQ, and Dray does it well, but of course, Lebron does it BEST

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