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Re: The Great Scott Pippen out-scored opponents 2nd option in 5 of his 6 NBA finals
Originally Posted by Axe
No chip
If there is no Pip then there is no chip
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Re: The Great Scott Pippen out-scored opponents 2nd option in 5 of his 6 NBA finals
Originally Posted by AirBonner
If there is no Pip then there is no chip
Did he win league mvp, finals mvp, dpoy once or outscore the league mvp winner in the finals?
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Re: The Great Scott Pippen out-scored opponents 2nd option in 5 of his 6 NBA finals
Scoring was the weakest part of his game, yet he still ranked 3rd in scoring among perimeter players in 1993-94, the first season where he wasn't ball-and-chained to Foolish jordon's ball-hogging.
"The Great Scott Pippen was the only player who could score 5 points and still dominate the game" - Reggie Miller
The Great Scott Pippen was dominant and then dominant 3 times on top of that dominance.
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Re: The Great Scott Pippen out-scored opponents 2nd option in 5 of his 6 NBA finals
Originally Posted by TheGoatest
the first season where he wasn't ball-and-chained to Foolish jordon's ball-hogging.
92' Pippen...... 21.0 and 7.0 apg
94' Pippen...... 22.0 and 5.6 apg
Pippen reached his career-high (capacity) alongside Jordan's expert jumpshooting and off-ball game, while Lebron's teammates like Wade, Hughes, Bosh, Love, Ingram and many more didn't play anywhere near capacity alongside his ball-dominance.
His ball-dominance imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, so he lacks the teammate development, fits and brand of ball to win organically.
Originally Posted by TheGoatest
Scoring was the weakest part of his game, yet he still ranked 3rd in scoring among perimeter players in 1993-94,
Elite scorers like Shaq, Hakeem or Barkley have peak capability of 35 ppg, while Pippen had the lowest peak capability of 22 ppg and therefore wasn't on the scouting report.
And outside of the dynasty system, Pippen was FAR worse than Wiggins performed outside the Warriors' system (Minnesota Wiggins).
Btw, Pippen averaged 3 points on 20% in the 4th quarter against the 94' Knicks and Kukoc was preferred in the 2nd half of playoff games.. Kukoc saved Pippen in the 94' and averaged more 4th quarter points in the 96' and 98' Playoffs..
Every 90's sidekick was infact a 1b with elite scoring capability that took over series, except Pippen - Pippen is the only sidekick that was more of a transition/hustle player with low peak capability (not on scouting report), so only MJ faced maximum defensive attention at all times (carried scoring load).
Originally Posted by TheGoatest
1993-94, the first season where Mitch Richmond in Jordan's place could've won.
The Bulls had Jordan in 92' and 93' but barely beat the Knicks both years, so Mitch Richmond wouldn't be anywhere near enough..
People ignore that the 94' ECSF was a fluke series where the Bulls were going to get swept until the Kukoc miracle made it a weird, abnormal series
And the historical record shows that the 94' Bulls had to 3-peat before they could have a fluke 55 wins built on the surprise factor and no pressure period.. They were borderline lottery in 95' before MJ returned..
Finally, the 15' Heat were injured but nearly made the 16' ECF just like the 94' Bulls, while 16' Wade (fossil Wade) outplayed peak Pippen, especially in the clutch.. Wade and Curry led all players in clutch points for the 2016 2nd Round, while Pippen averaged 3 on 20% in the 4th quarter of the 94' ECSF
Originally Posted by TheGoatest
"The Great Scott Pippen was the only player who could score 5 points and still dominate the game" - Reggie Miller
2nd scoring options need to score...
And that's what everyone in history needed - elite-scoring help - only the goat didn't need elite-scoring help
So you can pretend that scoring help isn't everything, but that's what everyone in history needed - elite scoring help - only the goat didn't need it and that's why he's the goat.
Last edited by 3ba11; 10-12-2022 at 04:28 AM.
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Re: The Great Scott Pippen out-scored opponents 2nd option in 5 of his 6 NBA finals
Originally Posted by AirBonner
If there is no Pip then there is no chip
No chip?
Hell, no Pip = no .500 season
Out of 5 attempts, no less.
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Re: The Great Scott Pippen out-scored opponents 2nd option in 5 of his 6 NBA finals
Originally Posted by TheGoatest
No chip?
Hell, no Pip = no .500 season
Out of 5 attempts, no less.
If biggest knock that you have on Jordan is that he lost early in his career when basically EVERYONE loses, then you don't have any legitimate criticism of Jordan... (Durant, Giannis, Curry and Lebron were lottery in their first few years)
It isn't surprising that you have no legit criticism of MJ because he had the perfect career - he never lost as the favorite and was never locked up - everyone else in history was.. he also lost the least with an all-star teammate and never lost with a good team (1 or 2 seed).
Due to MJ's perfect career, you must to resort to BS like Jordan losing early in his career like everyone does, even though young Jordan was more competitive against championship comp with 8 seeds than prime Lebron was with super-teams.
Ultimately, Jordan made the playoffs, 2nd Round and ECF with nothing, while Lebron needed the East all-star center and a 22/5/5 all-defender to make the 06' Playoffs as a veteran, high seed.. the first time Lebron had a low seed (21'), he lost in the 1st Round.
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Re: The Great Scott Pippen out-scored opponents 2nd option in 5 of his 6 NBA finals
Originally Posted by 3ba11
If biggest knock that you have on Jordan is that he lost early in his career when basically EVERYONE loses, then you don't have any legitimate criticism of Jordan... (Durant, Giannis, Curry and Lebron were lottery in their first few years)
It isn't surprising that you have no legit criticism of MJ because he had the perfect career - he never lost as the favorite and was never locked up - everyone else in history was.. he also lost the least with an all-star teammate and never lost with a good team (1 or 2 seed).
Due to MJ's perfect career, you must to resort to BS like Jordan losing early in his career like everyone does, even though young Jordan was more competitive against championship comp with 8 seeds than prime Lebron was with super-teams.
Ultimately, Jordan made the playoffs, 2nd Round and ECF with nothing, while Lebron needed the East all-star center and a 22/5/5 all-defender to make the 06' Playoffs as a veteran, high seed.. the first time Lebron had a low seed (21'), he lost in the 1st Round.
If you are even remotely comparing an era where a 30-52 record = spot in the playoffs to one where 42-40 record = not enough for a playoff spot, then you don't have any legitimate brain cells inside your head.
Also,
@ "never lost as the favorite and was never locked up"
LMAO @ 0 out of 5 .500 seasons without a teammate who had 6 out of 7 .500 season without you being a "perfect career".
Ultimately:
No Pip = no .500 season
No Pip + Rodman/Grant = no advancing past 2nd round
Not to mention requiring Phil Jackson, who won 5 more rings.
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Re: The Great Scott Pippen out-scored opponents 2nd option in 5 of his 6 NBA finals
Did he ever average 27ppg in the finals?
Or even close?
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Re: The Great Scott Pippen out-scored opponents 2nd option in 5 of his 6 NBA finals
Originally Posted by TheGoatest
If you are even remotely comparing an era where a 30-52 record = spot in the playoffs to one where 42-40 record = not enough for a playoff spot, then you don't have any legitimate brain cells inside your head.
Also,
@ "never lost as the favorite and was never locked up"
LMAO @ 0 out of 5 .500 seasons without a teammate who had 6 out of 7 .500 season without you being a "perfect career".
Ultimately:
No Pip = no .500 season
No Pip + Rodman/Grant = no advancing past 2nd round
Not to mention requiring Phil Jackson, who won 5 more rings.
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Re: The Great Scott Pippen out-scored opponents 2nd option in 5 of his 6 NBA finals
Originally Posted by OrlandoMagicGuy
Then when you watch the games in full and realize Scottie's points weren't all that impactful especially in 4th quarters/crunchtime.
Wow and insightful post and a magic fan. 2 rare things on this site
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Re: The Great Scott Pippen out-scored opponents 2nd option in 5 of his 6 NBA finals
So if Pippen is a "trash bum" and he outscored everyone in the 90s then the 90s really was trash. Damn.
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