Fun fact: In 1986-87 Charles Oakley had more all-star votes than anyone on the Pacers

[PerkinsFor3]

Kblaze CREATE A F*CKING LEBRON AND MJ SUBFORUM AND MOVE ALL OF THIS SHIT HERE, PLEASE.

These posters are ruining what is left of ISH.

[RogueBorg]

By the way, funny you should play the "did you actually watch them in the 90s?" card when alts that have NEVER seen a second of live Russell or Wilt basketball will casually rank Russell/Wilt on all-time lists and disregard Russell's 11/13 compared to jordon's 6/15.

We do consider Russell's 11/13 success seriously. Where Russell fails in comparison, to both Jordan, Lebron, and Kareem, is his 15 ppg scoring average. Bill Russell was not great on the offensive end.

To be the GOAT you have to rings, be great offensively, be great defensively, and have the accolades. Russell doesn't check the offensive box. That's why he's not above even Lebron on anyone's list.

I know you're retarded and won't understand this but there it is.

[TheGoatest]

We do consider Russell's 11/13 success seriously. Where Russell fails in comparison, to both Jordan, Lebron, and Kareem, is his 15 ppg scoring average. Bill Russell was not great on the offensive end.

To be the GOAT you have to rings, be great offensively, be great defensively, and have the accolades. Russell doesn't check the offensive box. That's why he's not above even Lebron on anyone's list.

I know you're retarded and won't understand this but there it is.

Regardless whether it's winning or stats, you hypocritically and constantly move goal posts with regards to which you want to count towards being GOAT: When it comes to winning, then it's not the type of winning from Russell's era, and the type of winning which implies that being swept in the first round looks better than losing in the finals. When it comes to stats, then it's all about ppg, nevermind the fact that jordon got out-averaged in other categories by a player on his own team on a yearly basis, let alone other all-time greats like LeBron/Magic/Bird.

Russell can live up to a pre-determined set of criteria for being the GOAT.
LeBron can live up to a pre-determined set of criteria for being the GOAT.
jordon cannot. Instead you constantly have to move goal posts where the criteria for being GOAT is about the team's winning but only to an extent, where it's about individual stats, but only a certain type, etc.

[HylianNightmare]

Then answer these

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...o-head-to-head
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=459570

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...s-Idol-Retired
https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc200...ory?id=2568543

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...dleton-a-Title

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...ence-interview

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...tter-currently

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...high-on-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...of-America-How

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...-KG-Gold-Medal

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...los-Boozer-WCF

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...f-Devin-Booker

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...lly-played-for


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...xpected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...n-is-the-FFOAT

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...-5-0-or-higher

Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...s-Coming/page2


Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...Mode-ACTIVATED

Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...Playoffs/page3


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...all-time/page2
Lebron played with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and lost in round 2. Lebron played with Peak Duncan who had won 2 league mvp's and 3 finals mvp's and won bronze medal. Lebron played with Peak Wade who won finals mvp and got outplayed by Jason Terry. Lebron played with Derrick Rose who won mvp under age 30 which was the same as Kevin Durant who won mvp under 30 while both were on Golden State and Cleveland. Lebron played with mulitple PER leaders as well and now Russell Westbrook a league mvp winner and more triple doubles than Oscar Robertson. Yet despite all of that Lebron lost with all of them.


Jarrett Allen vs Gobert and Jarrett Allen vs Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...llen-vs-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d-Suns-were-14
Was #1 in Preseason odds and lost to a 14th seed in odds

https://www.basketball-reference.com...ason_odds.html

And Devin Booker walked them down in the playoffs with Devin outplaying Lebron.


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...ullshit-roster
He has peak Anthony Davis, the best player on the 2020 squad and the reason the Lakers did anything as the 2019 Lakers missed the playoffs and 2021 Lakers lost in round 1 when AD wasn't around. He has Prime Melo who won a scoring title and all time leader in scoring for the Olympics. He has Dwight Howard a 3x DPOY and a guy who beat Lebron without HCA. He has Westbrook who is the modern day Oscar Robertson and also won league mvp along with average a Triple Double 4 years in a row. He also has Rondo who is a hall of famer.

Why didn't he play it against Dwight Howard in 2009 when Dwight was dominating http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...th-HCA/page10? Or against Duncan or KG or Dirk? Why did he run away from KD a guy at his position?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...o-head-to-head

Why didn't he do **** against Booker in the playoffs as well?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...high-on-Lebron


Devin Booker broke Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...ron&p=14500724


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...2#post14584482

Lebron won bronze medal twice and lost with HCA 3x. Jordan only won gold medal and never lost with HCA. Prove me wrong!

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...in-2022-Season
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/tri...021-2022-stats

Expected Championships Won and Titles Over Expected
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...ge3&p=14503600


How did LeBron go 10-16 vs Kawhi? 7-12 vs Shaq? 17-23 vs Curry?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...17-23-vs-Curry

Top 50 All-Time List - Shot Clock Era = #1
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...1#post14426360


Difference between Lebron and Tmac?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...ebron-and-Tmac
Both 0-2 with HCA against 50+ win teams until they joined forces with someone who won as the man. Also won bronze medals.

Tmac lost to Utah in 2007 while Lebron was losing to a career loser in Dwight Howard and also Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics with peak Tim Duncan on his squad despite playing more minutes than Hakeem even played on the 1996 Olympic team.



LeBron's message that makes the NBA shake: A storm is coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...torm-is-coming

https://www.marca.com/en/more-sports...e588b45e9.html


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...t-Lebron-James
Outplayed Lebron in FIBA and caused America to get another bronze medal and then Greece got spanked in Gold medal final.

http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa...statistic.html


First Time Ever a team with 2 guys who won MVP missed the playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d-the-playoffs


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...1#post14584371

Bodied

[TheMan]

Regardless whether it's winning or stats, you hypocritically and constantly move goal posts with regards to which you want to count towards being GOAT: When it comes to winning, then it's not the type of winning from Russell's era, and the type of winning which implies that being swept in the first round looks better than losing in the finals. When it comes to stats, then it's all about ppg, nevermind the fact that jordon got out-averaged in other categories by a player on his own team on a yearly basis, let alone other all-time greats like LeBron/Magic/Bird.

Russell can live up to a pre-determined set of criteria for being the GOAT.
LeBron can live up to a pre-determined set of criteria for being the GOAT.
jordon cannot. Instead you constantly have to move goal posts where the criteria for being GOAT is about the team's winning but only to an extent, where it's about individual stats, but only a certain type, etc.

What I find hilarious is that you are really passionate about this subject, you create thread after thread about it. It must kill you that MJ is seen by the vast majority of NBA fans as the GOAT, and Bran isn't even close. He has the advantage of recency bias yet he's nowhere near even making it 50/50.

You're fuming and it shows. Me, I don't really care, I love the back and forth but you don't see me spending hours like you making threads throwing shade at a particular player, like you're overdue for a new one, no? Something like, some particular team in 1985 did something better than the '85 Bulls, it's all Jordon's fault!

Like that old saying says...

Stay

Mad

[TheGoatest]

What I find hilarious is that you are really passionate about this subject, you create thread after thread about it. It must kill you that MJ is seen by the vast majority of NBA fans as the GOAT, and Bran isn't even close. He has the advantage of recency bias yet he's nowhere near even making it 50/50.

You're fuming and it shows. Me, I don't really care, I love the back and forth but you don't see me spending hours like you making threads throwing shade at a particular player, like you're overdue for a new one, no? Something like, some particular team in 1985 did something better than the '85 Bulls, it's all Jordon's fault!

Like that old saying says...

Stay

Mad

What I find hilarious is that you act super secure and confident that jordon is the GOAT, yet you constantly write minor essays about how insecure you really are. Via multiple accounts as well.

[3ba11]

So why did Oakley's Bulls finish below a team with as little fire power as the Indiana Pacers that season?

Pacers had a bunch of scorers and scoring options, while the Bulls only had 1 scoring option that faced maximum defensive attention

If MJ had the Pacers' cast (better scoring help), he could've shot less and won a lot of games with those Pacers

[TheMan]

What I find hilarious is that you act super secure and confident that jordon is the GOAT, yet you constantly write minor essays about how insecure you really are. Via multiple accounts as well.

Wrong twice, I don't have alts, Simon. And this is a message forum, it wouldn't be if no one ever posted anything, numbnuts. I love the back and forth, hence I quote your mindless ramblings but I'm not insecure enough to constantly make anti-LeBron threads, that's the difference between you and me.

So, when is your next shit thread about MJ/Bulls/Pippen?

[TheGoatest]

Wrong twice, I don't have alts, Simon. And this is a message forum, it wouldn't be if no one ever posted anything, numbnuts. I love the back and forth, hence I quote your mindless ramblings but I'm not insecure enough to constantly make anti-LeBron threads, that's the difference between you and me.

So, when is your next shit thread about MJ/Bulls/Pippen?

Yeah, right. The other day you agreed when someone wrote that I shouldn't be paid attention to and replied to, and now you're saying that you downright "enjoy" it.
I'll tell you why it itches you to reply. Because you know I'm right about something you WISH was wrong. If I was constantly making threads about Gordon Hayward being better than jordon, then you and your alts wouldn't make any replies in them.

[SATAN]

lol

The TheMan alt has seemed a little agitated over the last few months when it comes to this MJ vs LeBron topic. Can't wait for the daily meltdowns when LeBron surpasses Kareems' record.

[TheGoatest]

lol

The TheMan alt has seemed a little agitated over the last few months when it comes to this MJ vs LeBron topic. Can't wait for the daily meltdowns when LeBron surpasses Kareems' record.

Can't wait for his 4545793474578 essays about how he doesn't care, and about how he's still super secure about jordon being the GOAT despite LeBron's record.