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    Quote Originally Posted by 1987_Lakers View Post
    Wilt's choke job in '69 was just as bad, he also has two less rings than Bron.
    Yep, that's why I don't have Wilt as #1. If you go solely by individual achievement, he blows everyone else out of the water. His lack of ability to consistently win as a team penalizes him though. Again, this shouldn't be difficult to understand.

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    Being 2nd all time in the most important criteria would obviously supersede one atrocious series.

    There's no way you can legitimately argue FMVP's are the most important criteria then claim the only other player in history with 4 of them is barely top 10 To do so you'd have to completely contradict yourself.
    You guys seem incapable of looking at a holistic picture. Lebron has had MULTIPLE epic choke job, he has a lottery record in the finals, he's had more help than any other "great," and he's gone to stacked teams to take the easy road. Although the most important criteria, 4 FMVPs alone doesn't negate all that. Now he's still around top ten of all time, which is no small achievement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Full Court View Post
    You guys seem incapable of looking at a holistic picture. Lebron has had MULTIPLE epic choke job, he has a lottery record in the finals, he's had more help than any other "great," and he's gone to stacked teams to take the easy road. Although the most important criteria, 4 FMVPs alone doesn't negate all that. Now he's still around top ten of all time, which is no small achievement.
    Wilt has more chokes than LeBron and a worse Finals records as well.

    And guess what, he also took the easy way to join Jerry West & Elgin Baylor (forced trade to the Lakers)

    But hes top 3 in your mind.

    Everything you shit Bron for, you can say the same about Wilt. It's unbelievable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1987_Lakers View Post
    Wilt has more chokes than LeBron and a worse Finals records as well.

    And guess what, he also took the easy way to join Jerry West & Elgin Baylor (forced trade to the Lakers)

    But hes top 3 in your mind.

    Everything you shit Bron for, you can say the same about Wilt
    . It's unbelievable.
    Yes, but everything Wilt did, he did far better than Lebron. It's not in any way reasonable to rank Lebron above Wilt.

    Believe that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1987_Lakers View Post
    Wilt has more chokes than LeBron and a worse Finals records as well.

    And guess what, he also took the easy way to join Jerry West & Elgin Baylor (forced trade to the Lakers)

    But hes top 3 in your mind.

    Everything you shit Bron for, you can say the same about Wilt. It's unbelievable.
    LeBron has one legit choke job, 2011, and that was for sure a GOAT tier one, honestly the worst ever imo. He's had series he's played badly, like the '07 Finals, and stretches of the '08 & '10 Celtics series, but to call those "epic" choke jobs? Ridiculous.

    And he's once again backed himself into a corner when Wilt undoubtedly has more choke jobs than LeBron, while having a worse Finals record and winning half as many titles

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents View Post
    And he's once again backed himself into a corner when Wilt undoubtedly has more choke jobs than LeBron, while having a worse Finals record and winning half as many titles
    This is why I always bring up Wilt when he shits on LeBron, I know he has Wilt in his top 3 and it's so easy to make him look foolish when Wilt was everything full court says about LeBron, but worse.

    I really don't care if people have Wilt ranked high on their list, but Full Court's explanation as to why he has Bron ranked so low can EASILY be applied to Wilt, a player he has top 3 ever.

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    This is why I always bring up Wilt when he shits on LeBron, I know he has Wilt in his top 3 and it's so easy to make him look foolish when Wilt was everything full court says about LeBron, but worse.

    I really don't care if people have Wilt ranked high on their list, but Full Court's explanation as to why he has Bron ranked so low can EASILY be applied to Wilt, a player he has top 3 ever.
    No, actually it can't.

    Let me know when Bronie manages to accomplish the following:

    NBA record – Most points per game in a season (50.4 in the 1961–62 season)

    Also holds the next three spots with 44.8 in 1962–63, 38.4 in 1960–61 and 37.6 in 1959–60.

    NBA record – Most points in a season (4,029 in 1961–62)

    Also holds the second-highest record with 3,586 in 1962–63

    NBA record – Most points scored in a game (100 vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)

    Kobe Bryant is second with 81.

    NBA record – Most points scored in a half (59 in the 2nd half vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)

    Kobe Bryant is second with 55.

    NBA record – Most 50-point games in a season (45 in 1961–62)

    Chamberlain holds the next most with 30 in 1962–63. No other player has had more than 10.

    NBA record – Most 40-point games in a season (63 in 1961–62)

    Chamberlain holds the second-most with 52 in 1962–63. Michael Jordan is third with 37 in 1986–87.

    NBA record – Most consecutive seasons leading league in points per game (7)

    Record shared with Michael Jordan.

    NBA record – Most career regular-season 60-point games (32)

    Kobe Bryant is second with 6.

    NBA record – Most career regular-season 50-point games (118)

    Michael Jordan is second with 31.

    NBA record – Most career regular-season 40-point games (271)

    Michael Jordan is second with 173.

    NBA record – Most career regular-season 35-point games (381)

    Michael Jordan is second with 333.

    NBA record – Most consecutive 60-point games (4 from February 25-March 2, 1962)

    Chamberlain also holds the next three longest streaks with 3 in January 1962, 2 in December 1961 and 2 in December 1962.
    Chamberlain is the only player to ever score 60 points in back-to-back games.

    NBA record – Most consecutive 50-point games (7 from December 16–29, 1961)

    Chamberlain also holds the next three longest streaks with 6 in 1962, and 5 in 1961 and 1962.

    NBA record – Most consecutive 40-point games (14 from December 8–30, 1961 and January 11 – February 1, 1962)

    Chamberlain also has the next most with 10 from November 9–25, 1962.

    NBA record – Most consecutive 30-point games (65 from November 4, 1961 – February 22, 1962)

    James Harden is second with 32 in 2018-19 season., Chamberlain also is third with 31 in 1962.

    NBA record – Most consecutive 20-point games (126 from October 19, 1961 – January 19, 1963)

    Chamberlain holds the next most with 92 from February 26, 1963 – March 18, 1964.

    NBA record – Most consecutive games leading all players in scoring (40 in 1961-62 season)

    Bob McAdoo is second with 28.

    NBA record – Most consecutive games leading all teammates in scoring (116)
    NBA record – Most points per game by a rookie (37.6 in 1959–60)
    NBA record – Most points by a rookie (2,707 in 1959–60)
    NBA record – Most points by a rookie in a game (58 on January 25, 1960, and February 21, 1960)

    Rick Barry is second with 57.

    NBA record – Most consecutive 40-point games by a rookie (5 in late January 1960)

    Shared with Allen Iverson

    NBA record – Most points scored by a player in his first NBA game (43 on October 24, 1959, against the New York Knicks)

    Frank Selvy is second with 35.

    NBA record – Fewest games played to reach 15,000 points (358, achieved in 1964)

    Michael Jordan, at 460 games, took the second-fewest games.

    NBA record – Fewest games played to reach 20,000 points (499, achieved in 1966)

    Michael Jordan, at 620 games, took the second-fewest games.

    NBA record – Fewest games played to reach 25,000 points (691, achieved on February 23, 1968, against the Detroit Pistons)

    Michael Jordan, at 782 games, took the second-fewest games.

    NBA record – Fewest games played to reach 30,000 points (941, achieved on February 16, 1972, against the Phoenix Suns)

    Michael Jordan, at 960 games, took the second-fewest games.

    NBA record – Most consecutive seasons leading the league in field goals made (7 from 1959–60 through 1965–66)

    Shared with Michael Jordan

    NBA record – Most field goals made in a season (1,597 in 1961–62)

    Chamberlain holds the next 3 spots with 1,463 in 1962–63, 1,251 in 1960–61, and 1,204 in 1963–64

    NBA record – Most field goals made in a game (36 vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)

    Chamberlain holds the next highest with 31, and is tied with Rick Barry at third with 30

    NBA record – Most field goals Made in a Half (22 in the 2nd half vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)

    Rick Barry is second with 21.



    NBA record – Career total rebounds (23,924)
    NBA record – Career rebounds per game (22.9)
    NBA record – Most seasons leading the league in rebounds (11)
    NBA record – Most seasons with 1,000 or more rebounds (13)
    NBA record – Rebounds per game in a season (27.2)

    Chamberlain also holds the next two highest averages with 27.0 in 1959–60 and 25.7 in 1961–62)
    Chamberlain and Bill Russell occupy the top 18 spots on this list (9 each).

    NBA record – Total Rebounds in a season (2,149 in 1960–1961)

    Chamberlain also holds the next six highest totals.

    NBA record – Rebounds in a game (55, Philadelphia Warriors vs. Boston Celtics, November 24, 1960)

    Besides Bill Russell (11 times, including 3 playoff games, max of 51) only Nate Thurmond (42) and Jerry Lucas (40) have ever gotten at least 40.

    NBA record – Most rebounds per game by a rookie in a season (27.0)
    NBA record – Most rebounds by a rookie in a season (1,941)
    NBA record – Most rebounds by a rookie in a game (45 on February 6, 1960)

    Chamberlain, as a rookie, also grabbed 43 rebounds in one game, 42 in two others, and 40 in another.

    NBA playoff record – Most rebounds in a single postseason (444 during the 1969 Playoffs).

    Chamberlain also has the second-most, with 437 in 1967 Playoffs.

    NBA playoff record – Most rebounds in a playoff game (41 against the Boston Celtics, on April 5, 1967).

    Game 3 victory in the Eastern Division finals.

    NBA playoff record – Most rebounds in a half (26 against the San Francisco Warriors on April 16, 1967)

    Also an NBA Finals record.

    NBA playoff record – Highest rebounding average in a playoff series (32.0 in a 5-game series against the Boston Celtics in 1967).
    NBA playoff record – Most rebounds in a 5-game playoff series (160 against the Boston Celtics in 1967).
    NBA playoff record – Most rebounds in a 6-game playoff series (171 against the San Francisco Warriors in 1967).

    Also an NBA Finals record for a 6-game series.

    NBA playoff record – Most rebounds in a 7-game playoff series (220 against the Boston Celtics in 1965).
    NBA playoff record – Most rebounds by a rookie in a game (35 against the Boston Celtics on March 22, 1960)

    Scored a then-playoff record 53 points (still a rookie record) in the same game (a game 5 victory).

    NBA Finals record – Highest rebounds per game average, career (24.6)
    NBA All-Star Game record – Most career rebounds in the NBA All-Star game (197).
    NBA All-Star Game record – Most rebounds in a half (16 in 1960).

    Record shared with Bob Pettit

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    Oh, and also

    NBA record – Most double-doubles, all time: 968.[15]
    NBA record – Most consecutive double-doubles (227)[16] (between 1964 and 1967 seasons)
    Chamberlain also holds the 2nd- and 3rd-longest streaks (220 and 133).[17]
    NBA playoff record – Most consecutive triple-doubles in the same postseason (4) (April 9–16, 1967)










    Boom.

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    Yet, if LeBron puts up numbers you are quick to say "empty stats"

    Wilt averaged 45 ppg in 1963 but led his team to a 31-49 record.

    You yourself said Wilt had empty stats, so why are you listing all of his stats?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1987_Lakers View Post
    Yet, if LeBron puts up numbers you are quick to say "empty stats"

    Wilt averaged 45 ppg in 1963 but led his team to a 31-49 record.

    You yourself said Wilt had empty stats, so why are you listing all of his stats?


    That Wilt hugger is such a stupid fukk.

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    And again, if it's FMVP & stats, once again that puts LeBron ahead of literally every player in history besides Jordan

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    The very severe online beat down of Full Meltism and her alts continues.

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    Serious question. Anyone else just think LeBron's very good at basketball and voiced your opinion only to be challenged by retards like Fat Cvnt in real life? Like, you didn't even talk about MJ at all but these idiots (like Faulty Court), who don't actually know enough to comment on what they are talking about just want to start arguments about their idol for some reason?

    Srs. What the hell is wrong with these people? They were never even good at basketball and couldn't even understand the game play apart from "hurr durr ball go in hoop lay up the 90s was the be all and end all shoot it from a shorter distance it's so skilled durr".

    Get out

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    Quote Originally Posted by SATAN View Post
    Serious question. Anyone else just think LeBron's very good at basketball and voiced your opinion only to be challenged by retards like Fat Cvnt in real life? Like, you didn't even talk about MJ at all but these idiots (like Faulty Court), who don't actually know enough to comment on what they are talking about just want to start arguments about their idol for some reason?

    Srs. What the hell is wrong with these people? They were never even good at basketball and couldn't even understand the game play apart from "hurr durr ball go in hoop lay up the 90s was the be all and end all shoot it from a shorter distance it's so skilled durr".

    Get out
    If I encounter anyone like Full Court in real life I make it a point not to talk to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RRR3 View Post
    If I encounter anyone like Full Court in real life I make it a point not to talk to them.

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