Bird, Kobe, Hakeem and Magic. How do you rank them

[pandiani17]

1. Magic
2. Bird
3. Kobe
4. Hakeem

This.

[bison]

Lordbe
Magic
Bird
Hakeem

[Hey Yo]

Bird
Hakeem
Kobe
Magic

Magic is the biggest beneficiary of "rings" being counted as the be all and end all of a player supposedly being great. Never considered better than Bird during their playing years. Only since the ring argument from lazy fans who can't break down a player for what they are came about, that is when Magic started climbing these all time lists.

[ShawkFactory]

Career
Magic
Bird
Hakeem
Kobe

Peak
Hakeem
Bird
Magic
Kobe

Why is Hakeems career greater than Kobe’s?

[1987_Lakers]

Why is Hakeems career greater than Kobe’s?

You can for sure make an argument for Kobe, wouldn't fight too hard if someone ranks him ahead of Hakeem, he has the longevity edge. But to me Hakeem is the GOAT defender since the merger and probably the most skilled scorer ever from the 5 spot, his peak to me was clearly a notch ahead of Kobe's, which is why I rank him ahead on the all-time list.

[John8204]

You can for sure make an argument for Kobe, wouldn't fight too hard if someone ranks him ahead of Hakeem, he has the longevity edge. But to me Hakeem is the GOAT defender since the merger and probably the most skilled scorer ever from the 5 spot, his peak to me was clearly a notch ahead of Kobe's, which is why I rank him ahead on the all-time list.

Are their any other players at Kobe's position that you would rank ahead of him other than Jordan?

[1987_Lakers]

Are their any other players at Kobe's position that you would rank ahead of him other than Jordan?

Probably not, but Jerry West is right behind him, if you consider him a SG, some list West as a PG.

Out of all the positions, the SG is the weakest in terms of top tier talent. You can make a case for Harden, Iverson, or Drexler being slotted in the #5 spot in terms of greatest SGs ever, all 3 of those players had noticeable flaws.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Magic is the best of them.

[3ba11]

Career
Magic
Bird
Hakeem
Kobe

Peak
Hakeem
Bird
Magic
Kobe

Did Bird repeat?

Did Magic 3-peat with Kareem?

So how is Kobe < them?

Explain

And Hakeem's titles are the most diluted in history (beating 2nd Round winners in the Finals)

[Hey Yo]

LOL @ suggesting Kobe 3-peated.

[1987_Lakers]

And Hakeem's titles are the most diluted in history (beating 2nd Round winners in the Finals)

Didn't MJ lose to the same Magic team that Hakeem beat?

[1987_Lakers]

Did Bird repeat?

Did Magic 3-peat with Kareem?

So how is Kobe < them?

Explain

Kobe played with a teammate who received max defensive attention.

[3ba11]

Kobe played with a teammate who received max defensive attention.

That's totally fair... No need to laugh

Probably the best point you ever made and it exactly describes the problem with playing with peak Shaq

However, Magic had Kareem, so it's the same... Yet he never 3-peated like Kobe, aka Kobe >>>

Furthermore, Kobe repeated in 09-10' (like Magic), except Kobe defeated maximum defensive attention (carried scoring load for playoffs and Finals)

So Kobe is superior by 3-peating as a 1b and also repeating while defeating maximum defensive attention in 09/10

[ShawkFactory]

That's totally fair... No need to laugh

Probably the best point you ever made and it exactly describes the problem with playing with peak Shaq

However, Magic had Kareem, so it's the same... Yet he never 3-peated like Kobe, aka Kobe >>>

Furthermore, Kobe repeated in 09-10' (like Magic), except Kobe defeated maximum defensive attention (carried scoring load for playoffs and Finals)

So Kobe is superior by 3-peating as a 1b and also repeating while defeating maximum defensive attention in 09/10

Neither is superior. They're completely different players in completely different circumstances in completely different eras.

[Round Mound]

Probably not, but Jerry West is right behind him, if you consider him a SG, some list West as a PG.

Out of all the positions, the SG is the weakest in terms of top tier talent. You can make a case for Harden, Iverson, or Drexler being slotted in the #5 spot in terms of greatest SGs ever, all 3 of those players had noticeable flaws.

Where do you rank Wade regarding all time SGs?