Bird, Kobe, Hakeem and Magic. How do you rank them

[colts19]

On another forum, they ask this question, so I thought I would see how people here felt. Please list them in the order you have them on your all-time list.

Bird
Magic
Kobe
Hakeem

[1987_Lakers]

Career
Magic
Bird
Hakeem
Kobe

Peak
Hakeem
Bird
Magic
Kobe

[Manny98]

1. Magic
2. Bird
3. Kobe
4. Hakeem

[1987_Lakers]

I think most people have these guys ranked #8-#11 on the all-time list.

[SouBeachTalents]

All time
Magic
Bird
Hakeem
Kobe

Peak
Hakeem
Bird
Magic
Kobe

[Full Court]

Bird
Magic
Hakeem
Kobe

Kobe's the only one of the four that I have outside of top 10.

[fsvr54]

This is honestly where ranking get ridiculous to me. People are obbsessed with numbered rankings. I'd prefer tiers. These guys are all all-timers. The only ranking that matters is GOAT. Then there's "the greats" and then everybody else.

[Round Mound]

Career
Magic
Bird
Hakeem
Kobe

Peak
Hakeem
Bird
Magic
Kobe

This

[John8204]

1. Bird
2. Magic
3. Kobe
4. Hakeem

[HoopsNY]

Career
Magic
Bird
Hakeem
Kobe

Peak
Hakeem
Bird
Magic
Kobe

Definitely agree with this.

[colts19]

I can understand having Hakeem's peak higher than Kobe's. I don't understand him being ahead of Kobe for his career. 5 championships to 2, also Hakeem either missed the playoffs or lost in the first round 10 times. By far the most of any all-time great.

[SouBeachTalents]

I can understand having Hakeem's peak higher than Kobe's. I don't understand him being ahead of Kobe for his career.]5 championships to 2, also Hakeem either missed the playoffs or lost in the first round 10 times. By far the most of any all-time great.

Seriously bro, you're throwing out the 5-2 rangz argument like Kobe wasn't 2nd fiddle to Shaq for 3 of them Imagine a circumstance where Hakeem was 2nd fiddle to anybody, or even 1A/1B, do you really think he's not winning multiple titles in a situation like that?

And your 2nd point is completely devoid of context. Of those 10 times he lost in the first round/missed the playoffs

One of them occurred his rookie year, where he helped lead a team that won 29 games the year before to the playoffs, something rookie Kobe would literally be incapable of.

And 4 more occurred when he was 35+ years old, an age Kobe also never made the playoffs.

So of the other 5, you can criticize Hakeem for not winning a playoff series if you want, but when Kobe had similar level rosters (05-07), he didn't win a playoff series either.

So if you factor in Hakeem being a 2x DPOY and having 2 significantly more impressive FMVP runs than Kobe, it's definitely reasonable to rank Hakeem ahead of Kobe. 5-2 is just such a shitty argument, you would need to present something better than that as a valid reason for Kobe to be ranked higher.

[2much_knowledge]

Its very tough.

Kobe was the most talented and skilled and driven of all of them

Bird had the best peak and highest i.q

Love hakeem but his success came when Jordan wasnt around

The answer is magic, just a winner at every level. From start to finish

[John8204]

Kobe is the second best SG of all-time that ranks him ahead of the sixth best C in Hakeem

[plowking]

Bird
Hakeem
Kobe
Magic

Magic is the biggest beneficiary of "rings" being counted as the be all and end all of a player supposedly being great. Never considered better than Bird during their playing years. Only since the ring argument from lazy fans who can't break down a player for what they are came about, that is when Magic started climbing these all time lists.