For what it's worth, Jokic & Giannis on pace to break the single season PER record

[Johnny32]

Time of Possession (hold-time)


Lebron.......... 6.3 minutes

Jokic............ 4.2 minutes

Giannis........ 4.5 minutes

Durant......... 4.0 minutes

No one is dumb enough to have a point guard hold-time from the forward position

Only Lebron is dumb enough and unskilled enough to do play that way, so he needs the most help

It's funny you think holding the ball and waiting to see what the opposing defense is going to do then reacting to that and getting the best possible shot for the team is a bad thing. Then again you're a kobe loving tard and he didn't have the basketball iq to play this style.

[GimmeThat]

Time of Possession (hold-time)


Lebron.......... 6.3 minutes

Jokic............ 4.2 minutes

Giannis........ 4.5 minutes

Durant......... 4.0 minutes

No one is dumb enough to have a point guard hold-time from the forward position

Only Lebron is dumb enough and unskilled enough to do play that way, so he needs the most help

we live in a world where dumb people gets paid too much it seems. imagine if the people stanning those dumb people just cut off their support. the world would be a much better place.

[1987_Lakers]

Currently at...

1. Jokic: 32.9 PER
2. '62 Wilt: 32.1 PER
3. Giannis: 31.9 PER


With one game left for Jokic it's pretty much guaranteed he will finish with highest PER ever.

[tpols]

It's funny you think holding the ball and waiting to see what the opposing defense is going to do then reacting to that and getting the best possible shot for the team is a bad thing. Then again you're a kobe loving tard and he didn't have the basketball iq to play this style.

The best teams of all time all had great ball movement. Its essential to have everybody involved to build dynasty chemistry and wear the defense out more / make them work harder. Only LeBron fans would say ball movement doesnt matter.

[insight]

Curry didn't change the game... that's a complete myth...

The NBA was gonna evolve to 3pt heavy shooting regardless of if he existed or not. That was just a natural evolution of the game.

Otoh, LeBron changed the way great players are judged . There had never been someone like LeBron who dominated every facet of the game while being the leagues smartest player

His domination gave birth to players like Jokic, Luka, Embiid, Giannis and all the greatest players today. Their development was predicated on LeBrons game...

He completely changed the NBA

You can draw similarities between Luka and Lebron but Luka's lacks of athleticism and score first mentality are not Lebron traits.
Joker, Giannis Embiid have nothing in common with Lebron. Lebron's game is not original, none of his moves are original, he did not create some new style of play that is duplicatable because just like Shaq his greatest asset was his size and physical dominance. That's not a knock on Lebron's greatness but you are giving him credit for something he did not create.
The rule changes, and the worldwide acceptance of the game are the main reasons why Joker and others have reached stardom.

[Micku]

It's pretty amazing that we are having players just breaking records lately. It shows not only the impact of how sophisticated the offense has been, but also the quality lvl of stars in today's game. Some ppl say it's inflation of the stats, that might be right. But it's a combination of things. I feel like it hasn't been this stacked since the 80s, at least without looking at the list.

[ArbitraryWater]

Currently at...

1. Jokic: 32.9 PER
2. '62 Wilt: 32.1 PER
3. Giannis: 31.9 PER


With one game left for Jokic it's pretty much guaranteed he will finish with highest PER ever.

hopefully he can crack 33.0

[insight]

It's pretty amazing that we are having players just breaking records lately. It shows not only the impact of how sophisticated the offense has been, but also the quality lvl of stars in today's game. Some ppl say it's inflation of the stats, that might be right. But it's a combination of things. I feel like it hasn't been this stacked since the 80s, at least without looking at the list.

The rules were changed to increase scoring and offense and it worked. The downside is stats are inflated and on any given night an average players can score 30 or 40 points.

[Micku]

The rules were changed to increase scoring and offense and it worked. The downside is stats are inflated and on any given night an average players can score 30 or 40 points.

Oh for sure it's a definitely increase in offense due to the rules and coaching philosophy. The league isn't a slow and defensive grind anymore like it was in the late 90s and the early 00s.

Small ball is here, and thus easier points for basically all. With that said, it's amazing to see guys like Jokic, Embiid, and Giannis take advantage of that. There are other skills like the passing, footwork game or gravity that they display sometimes that's been a pleasure to watch. I would think those skills translate well to other eras in the game. They might not be as efficient, but the talent is there. And the average players sometimes go off...perhaps more often than the other eras.

[97 bulls]

The rules were changed to increase scoring and offense and it worked. The downside is stats are inflated and on any given night an average players can score 30 or 40 points.

Funny how this fact is rarely ever taken into consideration. That and wins. It's as if the game is no longer played to win. Just to put up numbers.

[BigShotBob]

No one cares. Neither of them would be breaking any PER records in 1992.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Just a ridiculously stacked era.

Today to be the best you have to dominate in multiple facets. Jokic isn't just a good passer, he's arguably the best. While being by far the best post scorer in the NBA and an elite rebounder. Exceptionally high bball IQ as well.

LeBron changed the NBA

Giannis, Jokic, and luka are all LeBron disciples.

Lebron pioneered this super player era and it adds to his legacy.

What people don't understand is that Jokic dominating is ADDING to LeBrons legacy.

This was always a win-win