Pippen's First 3-Peat vs Kobe's

[HoopsNY]

Pippen: 21/9/7/2/1 on 46%

Kobe: 22/6/5/1/1 on 43%

This isn't to say that Pippen > Kobe in the finals or even equal. But how far off was he, really? Too much is made of the second three peat while the first is ignored when discussing Pippen's contribution.

Kobe had become a 1b in 2001, so it's not the fairest of comparisons. Still and all, he was the 2nd option to Shaq.

Not enough is made of Pippen's contribution in the first three peat.

[Axe]

Pippen was a better defender, more mature and coachable than the showboat and more selfish young kobe although the latter really is a scoring machine. Too bad he doesn't have more than one 50-point game in the playoffs tho.

[RRR3]

Oh boy. He's coming, readying his copy and paste documents.

[HoopsNY]

Pippen was a better defender, more mature and coachable than the showboat and more selfish young kobe although the latter really is a scoring machine. Too bad he doesn't have more than one 50-point game in the playoffs tho.

How much of a scoring machine was he in the finals, really?

2000: 15.6 PPG (37%)
2001: 24.6 PPG (42%)

2002 he averaged over 26 PPG. I'll give him that. But in terms of a full package, the average makes sense. Truth be told, the numbers are similar with good reason. And that is to say, Pippen was almost on Kobe's level as a second option in the first three peat.

[Axe]

How much of a scoring machine was he in the finals, really?

2000: 15.6 PPG (37%)
2001: 24.6 PPG (42%)

2002 he averaged over 26 PPG. I'll give him that. But in terms of a full package, the average makes sense. Truth be told, the numbers are similar with good reason. And that is to say, Pippen was almost on Kobe's level as a second option in the first three peat.

I was referring to the rs and the playoffs when i said that. In the finals he has lower scoring averages, that's true. And regarding 1st three-peat pippen, he actually had more ppg in his finals debut at around almost 20 ppg on 45% in 1991 compared to kobe's almost 16 ppg on 36% in 2000.

[John_Connor]

heres kobes real averages

2000 season - 22.5ppg, 6.3rpg, 4.9apg
2000 playoffs (even with 2 point injury game) - 22.8, 4.4rpg, 4.5apg
2000 finals (minus 2 point injury game) - 19.0ppg, 5.5rpg, 4.25apg

2001 season - 28.5ppg, 5.9rpg, 5.0apg
2001 playoffs - 29.4ppg, 7.3rpg, 6.1apg
2001 finals - 24.6ppg, 7.8rpg, 5.8apg

2002 season - 25.4ppg, 5.5rpg, 5.5apg
2002 playoffs - 26.6ppg, 5.8rpg, 4.6apg
2002 finals - 26.8ppg, 5.8rpg, 5.3apg


total combined 3 year season average = 25.4ppg, 5.9rpg, 5.1apg
total combined 3 year playoff average = 25.3ppg, 5.7rpg, 4.9apg


as for the finals average its mostly due to the number of games played in the 2000 series vs the next 2 finals. for instance... had the 2001 and 2002 finals both been 6 games as well then kobes average would be higher. like around 24ppg. not gonna bother with it

fact is kobe was basically 2010 gasol for the 2000 lakers. they both had a big pivotal game and averaged 19. so to say that series doesn't count for kobe would mean gasols doesn't count

overall kobe has 2 co lead 1B rings and a sidekick ring with shaq.


pippen was NEVER 1B or co lead with jordan

[John_Connor]

I would say pippen over 2000 or 2002 kobe because the defensive gap.

2001 kobe is the only version that was better.

i'd say 2000 kobe was a pippen for sure

but 2001 and 2002 kobe was basically a step under jordan.


pippen himself put kobe above jordan. so i dunno what to believe. maybe the guy you're advocating for?

[SATAN]

pippen himself put kobe above jordan.

So did 3ball.

[RRR3]

heres kobes real averages

2000 season - 22.5ppg, 6.3rpg, 4.9apg
2000 playoffs (even with 2 point injury game) - 22.8, 4.4rpg, 4.5apg
2000 finals (minus 2 point injury game) - 19.0ppg, 5.5rpg, 4.25apg

2001 season - 28.5ppg, 5.9rpg, 5.0apg
2001 playoffs - 29.4ppg, 7.3rpg, 6.1apg
2001 finals - 24.6ppg, 7.8rpg, 5.8apg

2002 season - 25.4ppg, 5.5rpg, 5.5apg
2002 playoffs - 26.6ppg, 5.8rpg, 4.6apg
2002 finals - 26.8ppg, 5.8rpg, 5.3apg


total combined 3 year season average = 25.4ppg, 5.9rpg, 5.1apg
total combined 3 year playoff average = 25.3ppg, 5.7rpg, 4.9apg


as for the finals average its mostly due to the number of games played in the 2000 series vs the next 2 finals. for instance... had the 2001 and 2002 finals both been 6 games as well then kobes average would be higher. like around 24ppg. not gonna bother with it

fact is kobe was basically 2010 gasol for the 2000 lakers. they both had a big pivotal game and averaged 19. so to say that series doesn't count for kobe would mean gasols doesn't count

overall kobe has 2 co lead 1B rings and a sidekick ring with shaq.


pippen was NEVER 1B or co lead with jordan

Damn imagine what LeBron’s averages would be if I only counted the games he played well in.

[1987_Lakers]

I honestly didn't know they were so close statistically.

[2much_knowledge]

heres kobes real averages

2000 season - 22.5ppg, 6.3rpg, 4.9apg
2000 playoffs (even with 2 point injury game) - 22.8, 4.4rpg, 4.5apg
2000 finals (minus 2 point injury game) - 19.0ppg, 5.5rpg, 4.25apg

2001 season - 28.5ppg, 5.9rpg, 5.0apg
2001 playoffs - 29.4ppg, 7.3rpg, 6.1apg
2001 finals - 24.6ppg, 7.8rpg, 5.8apg

2002 season - 25.4ppg, 5.5rpg, 5.5apg
2002 playoffs - 26.6ppg, 5.8rpg, 4.6apg
2002 finals - 26.8ppg, 5.8rpg, 5.3apg


total combined 3 year season average = 25.4ppg, 5.9rpg, 5.1apg
total combined 3 year playoff average = 25.3ppg, 5.7rpg, 4.9apg


as for the finals average its mostly due to the number of games played in the 2000 series vs the next 2 finals. for instance... had the 2001 and 2002 finals both been 6 games as well then kobes average would be higher. like around 24ppg. not gonna bother with it

fact is kobe was basically 2010 gasol for the 2000 lakers. they both had a big pivotal game and averaged 19. so to say that series doesn't count for kobe would mean gasols doesn't count

overall kobe has 2 co lead 1B rings and a sidekick ring with shaq.


pippen was NEVER 1B or co lead with jordan

At last!!!!!! Someone smart enough to analize properly and actually do their research.

You do not penalize players for injuries

This is spot on

[2much_knowledge]

Damn imagine what LeBron’s averages would be if I only counted the games he played well in.

Low i.q post. A common theme among bron fanboys. Playing well and leaving the game at the start cause of injury are 2 entirely different things.

[John_Connor]

Damn imagine what LeBron’s averages would be if I only counted the games he played well in.

il tell ya what. you can eliminate any game in which lebron left in the first quarter due to injury

[GrayGoat]

This was MJ’s 2nd option. Damn Mikey really didn’t have help lolol

[Round Mound]

I honestly didn't know they were so close statistically.

...I still don't know if 3-ball has seen this . According to him Pippen was not even Top 15 in the 90s.