Barkley did the most with the least

[hateraid]

Looking back at my Sixers it's hysterical what type of help Barkley had on the early 90's Sixer. He was arguably the best power forward and possibly the best player at the time. Rebounding King, baby Shaq on offense, vocal leader, proven alpha on team USA, MVP winner..

But look at what he was surrounded by...Chicago had Pippen, New York was a talent pool, Detroit was built to suppress Barkley, Indiana was a tier down from NY. Barkley's second best play was Hawkins. He's my favorite of all time but not a true second banana.

Even coaches in the east were stacked. Lynam was no Jackson, Daly, or Riley.

Such a shame Barkley didn't have the perfect storm. He was always a warrior without the weapons. You just can't take away the load he carried.

[Phoenix]

I don't think it's 'arguable' that he was the best PF peak for peak with Malone. It took Barkley leaving his prime in like 95 for Malone to be 'better'. But give me any version of Barkley between like 87 and 94. And as I've said previously, there were quite a number of Bulls-Sixers games in that 89-91 period where Sir Charles, not MJ, looked like the dominant player on the floor.

[warriorfan]

Op is a f.agget

[AussieSteve]

One thing about Barkley that people underrate is his selflessness and team first mentality on offense.

Look at his late 80s and early 90s Philly teams and count how many players had their career best scoring years alongside him. Most of them.

He scored with the greatest league-adjusted efficiency ever, because he rarely took a shot he didn't like. He'd much rather get his team mates involved than put up 30 shots himself. And he led the 2nd best offense in the league, behind Magics lakers, in back to back seasons, with Hersey as his #2 and Gminski as his #3!!

[Phoenix]

One thing about Barkley that people underrate is his selflessness and team first mentality on offense.

Look at his late 80s and early 90s Philly teams and count how many players had their career best scoring years alongside him. Most of them.

He scored with the greatest league-adjusted efficiency ever, because he rarely took a shot he didn't like. He'd much rather get his team mates involved than put up 30 shots himself. And he led the 2nd best offense in the league, behind Magics lakers, in back to back seasons, with Hersey as his #2 and Gminski as his #3!!

Yep, Barkley clearly could have been a 30ppg guy most years considering he was dropping 25-28 on what? 15 shots a night? Wasn't a function of his game or mentality to jack up 20+ shots a night, but dude was still a killer in his day.

[Full Court]

If he had won a championship or two, people would be talking about him being in the top 15 all time.

[Round Mound]

Robbed From The 1989-90 MVP!

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Best peak PF in my book.

He's got insane advanced stats, and this was at a time before analytics were even a thing. Chuck's offense was so good in the early 90s that he was impacting games on that end like Magic.

Carrying that kinda weight (no pun lol), you can excuse the lack of defense. To some degree anyway.

[Im Still Ballin]

Julius Erving, Moses Malone, Maurice Cheeks, Andrew Toney, Hershey Hawkins, Kevin Johnson, Dan Majerle, Kevin Johnson, Hakeem Olajuwon, Clyde Drexler, Scottie Pippen.

[Im Still Ballin]

The Sixers had one of the greatest seasons ever only two years prior to drafting Chuck.

He was drafted into a fantastic situation.

[iamgine]

Looking back at my Sixers it's hysterical what type of help Barkley had on the early 90's Sixer. He was arguably the best power forward and possibly the best player at the time. Rebounding King, baby Shaq on offense, vocal leader, proven alpha on team USA, MVP winner..

But look at what he was surrounded by...Chicago had Pippen, New York was a talent pool, Detroit was built to suppress Barkley, Indiana was a tier down from NY. Barkley's second best play was Hawkins. He's my favorite of all time but not a true second banana.

Even coaches in the east were stacked. Lynam was no Jackson, Daly, or Riley.

Such a shame Barkley didn't have the perfect storm. He was always a warrior without the weapons. You just can't take away the load he carried.

I'd disagree on Hawkins, he should be enough. The problem was the rest of that team was suckfest. Chicago not only had Pippen but also Grant, Paxson, Armstrong. You put Horace Grant level player in Philly and take away Grant from the Bulls and they'd be the one winning.

[3ba11]

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* The 90' Sixers had a better-ranked defense than the Bulls, while Hawkins destroyed Pippen across the board offensively (PER, WS/48, scoring, efficiency)

- so Jordan beat Barkley in 1990 when Barkley had the better-producing sidekick and a better-ranked defense

* Hawkins was an all-star in 91' while Pippen wasn't

- so Jordan beat Barkley when Barkley had the all-star

* The 93' Suns had 3 perennial all-stars and the Bulls only 2

- so Jordan beat Barkley when Barkley had a super-team

[Axe]

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* The 90' Sixers had a better-ranked defense than the Bulls, while Hawkins destroyed Pippen across the board offensively (PER, WS/48, scoring, efficiency)

- so Jordan beat Barkley in 1990 when Barkley had the better-producing sidekick and a better-ranked defense

* Hawkins was an all-star in 91' while Pippen wasn't

- so Jordan beat Barkley when Barkley had the all-star

* The 93' Suns had 3 perennial all-stars and the Bulls only 2

- so Jordan beat Barkley when Barkley had a super-team

No pip, no chip.

No triangle, no miracle.

No phil, no kill.

No shaq, no whack.

No pau, no pow.

[kawhileonard2]

Julius Erving, Moses Malone, Maurice Cheeks, Andrew Toney, Hershey Hawkins, Kevin Johnson, Dan Majerle, Kevin Johnson, Hakeem Olajuwon, Clyde Drexler, Scottie Pippen.

This!

[Thenameless]

Yes. Barkley led the Dream Team in scoring. A team with the greatest collection of talent ever assembled. And he led. Remember that.