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    Default Re: Myth: Kobe Was an Inefficient Scorer

    Unfortunately KBlaze is right. But then again that comes with every generation's territory. No one wants to think let alone admit that the era prior to the one they live in was better. That's why the NBA won't release all the NBA videos from its archives including hundreds of Wilt's insane games. They are afraid that the modern fans will become less interested in the current brand of basketball. The NBA always takes care of its history but they want the fanbase to like the modern stats just a little bit more than those of the previous era. It helps the ratings...

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    Default Re: Myth: Kobe Was an Inefficient Scorer

    What makes him inefficient is he played hero ball a bit too often. Yes he made tough shots but damn it's bad shot selection.

    Like...I think we all agree Durant can make shots over 2-3 defenders. And if he does that all the time, his TS% would likely still be above league average. But clearly a pass to an open Joe Harris is a way better shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamgine View Post
    What makes him inefficient is he played hero ball a bit too often. Yes he made tough shots but damn it's bad shot selection.

    Like...I think we all agree Durant can make shots over 2-3 defenders. And if he does that all the time, his TS% would likely still be above league average. But clearly a pass to an open Joe Harris is a way better shot.
    Nets might have beat the Bucks if Joe Harris never played tbh, he was that bad. That's what Kobe was working with for most of his prime though, he did not have great shooters or reliable shot creators around him. Gasol was a great fit for the triangle but you couldn't just throw him the ball in the post and have him win the game for you, he was prone to making some bad plays and wasn't a reliable FT shooter either. Fisher was the most reliable option in crunch time in the POs and Kobe trusted him in big spots ('09 vs Magic, for instance). In many ways, him playing on horrible teams and in the triangle from 05-07 made him a worse player than what he could have been. His game was a lot more enjoyable to watch under MDA's system because it actually opened up more drives for him and led to less contested/long 2s and he had the highest eFG% of his career in his 17th year and that's with an injured Lakers' roster that was plagued by injuries and didn't have many options from 3 with Nash's injury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImKobe View Post
    Nets might have beat the Bucks if Joe Harris never played tbh, he was that bad. That's what Kobe was working with for most of his prime though, he did not have great shooters or reliable shot creators around him. Gasol was a great fit for the triangle but you couldn't just throw him the ball in the post and have him win the game for you, he was prone to making some bad plays and wasn't a reliable FT shooter either. Fisher was the most reliable option in crunch time in the POs and Kobe trusted him in big spots ('09 vs Magic, for instance). In many ways, him playing on horrible teams and in the triangle from 05-07 made him a worse player than what he could have been. His game was a lot more enjoyable to watch under MDA's system because it actually opened up more drives for him and led to less contested/long 2s and he had the highest eFG% of his career in his 17th year and that's with an injured Lakers' roster that was plagued by injuries and didn't have many options from 3 with Nash's injury.
    Not in the long run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kblaze8855 View Post
    ThatÂ’s what comes of turning basketball into division. And a lot of the pro Kobe people here I see doing it to others. He was having seasons shooting like 25% from 3 when he was already getting best in the league talk. Did he even have 5 good 3 point shooting seasons with the real line?

    Such things will factor in long term and all the pure scoring bucket types will have their standings suffer for it. Kobe and second 3 peat Jordan were the best of that type but all of them will feel it in time.

    Thats how these new fans want it though. 45/30/83 or whatever willÂ….in timeÂ…be all there is to judge a scorer by. Skill set is already barely a factor. Give it 30 years of this. People will lump Kobe in with a gang of people his fans will not be happy about.

    They don’t mind using the same argument against people they aren’t impressed by though. People will laugh at that “Compared to league average” shit in time as whole eras are considered garbage because they couldn’t shoot. 2 generations into this new style?

    All the non pure shooters will have been garbage in retrospect. Fans barely even give bigs a pass now. A 2? Just wait. YouÂ’re gonna wanna vomit reading Kobe evaluations
    Nah. The problem is people like the OP. The fan worshiping at the altar of efficiency because they've created an association with intellectual credibility. Dude can't argue against efficiency because he's not equipped to stand on his own and evaluate players historically. I believe by his own admission he didnt begin watching the NBA until the late 2000's? It forces him to reconfigure and manipulate the definition of efficiency.

    Efficiency = greatness
    Kobe is not efficient.

    Guy cornered himself into this personal conflict and tries to reposition the statistical analysis telling himself the rest of us cant see his agenda for what it truly is.

    Analytics aren't the problem. Dishonesty and inconsistency are.

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