# of superteams beaten by MVP or FMVP winners

[3ball]

of course there is. you'e never heard of 1st TEAM all-defense?

no other team in 96 had 3 all-leaguers and/or all-teamers. only chicago did. if you can't find another team in 96 with that combination then chicago stays a superteam.

97 and 98 are irrelevant. why do you keep brining up years not mentioned?

Rodman wasn't all-league in 96' or all-nba

All-defense isn't all-league, and it doesn't count towards super-team anyway... All-defense isn't a criteria of super-team, otherwise there's a lot more super-teams that no one talks about

[mehyaM24]

Rodman wasn't all-league in 96' or all-nba

wrong. 1st team all defense in 96. aka all-league.

name another team like chicago, who had a combination of the three.

[3ball]

wrong. 1st team all defense in 96. aka all-league.

name another team like chicago, who had a combination of the three.

Rodman wasn't all-league in 96' or all-nba

All-defense isn't all-league, and it doesn't count towards super-team anyway...

All-defense isn't a criteria of super-team, otherwise there's a lot more super-teams that no one talks about

[3ball]

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Beating a super-team means nothing if you have a super-team yourself.

So the only rings that matter are those with non-superteams, and also those with true 2nd options (no 1b's or fmvp sidekicks).

Here's a list of non-superteam rings, with an asterisk next to those with 2nd options:

89' Pistons
90' Pistons
94' Rockets*
95' Rockets*
11' Mavs*
04' Pistons
09' Lakers*
10' Lakers*
15' Warriors*
19' Raptors*
90's Bulls*

[ShawkFactory]

Rodman wasn't all-league in 96' or all-nba

All-defense isn't all-league, and it doesn't count towards super-team anyway...

All-defense isn't a criteria of super-team, otherwise there's a lot more super-teams that no one talks about

Cause you said so?

[RRR3]

Cause you said so?

He doesn’t care about defense.

[3ball]

Cause you said so?

It's just an obvious fact

If guys with all-defense were counted towards a super-team, then lots of teams are super-teams

Furthermore, rodman wasn't all-defense in 97' or 98', when he was much worse than 10' Shaq

[mehyaM24]

Rodman wasn't all-league in 96' or all-nba

All-defense isn't all-league, and it doesn't count towards super-team anyway...

All-defense isn't a criteria of super-team, otherwise there's a lot more super-teams that no one talks about

wrong again. we aren't going by your definition, we are going by the standard one.



rodman is clearly all-league, just as indicated - but this is common knowledge. if you can't name another team in 96, with a combination of the 3, chicago will remain a superteam.

[ShawkFactory]

It's just an obvious fact

If guys with all-defense were counted towards a super-team, then lots of teams are super-teams

Furthermore, rodman wasn't all-defense in 97' or 98', when he was much worse than 10' Shaq

They're part of the equation, yes. Because as you maybe know, a great defensive player makes a team better in general.

I know your equations are usually just 1 + 1 = 2. But as we all know basketball is more complex than simple addition.

[3ball]

They're part of the equation, yes. Because as you maybe know, a great defensive player makes a team better in general.

I know your equations are usually just 1 + 1 = 2. But as we all know basketball is more complex that simple addition.

Nope, all-defense has never been included, so you're making up new shit because you have no facts to make your case

It's funny because most people are fooled into thinking Rodman was a star because of his pink hair, wedding dresses, and Carmen Electra ladies - but you're trying to justify it with his play, which is preposterous because defensive players aren't part of big 3's.. so just be fooled like everyone else and call him a star because he "seems" like one

[mehyaM24]

all-defense is literally a byproduct of all-league. as per bref. no amount of crying and delusion from you will change that.

now list another team that fielded 3 other all-leaguers in 96. we know that chicago was one of them

[ShawkFactory]

Nope, all-defense has never been included, so you're making up new shit because you have no facts to make your case

It's funny because most people are fooled into thinking Rodman was a star because of his pink hair, wedding dresses, and Carmen Electra ladies - but you're trying to justify it with his play, which is preposterous because defensive players aren't part of big 3's.. so just be fooled like everyone else and call him a star because he "seems" like one

It's never been included in a system that you made up yesterday

[Axe]

Hey, a certain deluded kawhi stan keep on bragging about the 2019 sixers, a superteam dubbed 'warriors of the east' even if they had no top seeds, no ecf or finals berth and no 55 wins in the last five years.

[jlip]

Heres a list of superteams:

1959-1969 Celtics
1981-1987 Celtics
1983-1985 76ers
1984-1991 Lakers
1996-1998 Bulls
2004 Lakers
2008-2010 Celtics
2011-2014 Heat
2015-2017 Cavaliers
2017-2019 Warriors
2021 Lakers

# of superteams beaten by MVP or FMVP winners:
Larry Bird: 2(1984 Lakers, 1985 76ers)
Magic Johnson: 2(1985 Celtics, 1987 Celtics)
Kawhi Leonard: 2(2014 Heat, 2019 Warriors)
Stephen Curry: 2(2015 Cavs, 2017 Cavs)
Wilt Chamberlain: 1(1967 Celtics)
Moses Malone: 1(1983 Lakers)
Isiah Thomas: 1(1989 Lakers)
Michael Jordan: 1(1991 Lakers)
Chauncey Billups: 1(2004 Lakers)
Kobe Bryant: 1(2010 Celtics)
Dirk Nowitzki: 1(2011 Heat)
Tim Duncan: 1(2014 Heat)
Kevin Durant 1(2017 Cavs)

As we can see, to beat a superteam is extremely difficult and we dont even have one player who beat superteams more than 2 times. Among these players who have defeated 2 superteams, Bird, Magic, Curry(only in 2017) and Durant did this on their own superteams. This makes Kawhi's achievements far more impressive, as he beat 2 superteams without being on his own superteams. He deserve massive respect for pulling off miracles twice.

There was absolutely nothing that made the 1967-1969 Celtics a superteam. Due to age, injury, and a coaching transition they actually were underdogs in several of their series during the 1968 and 1969 playoffs having to win multiple series on the road.

Also, as Kablaze mentioned, any Showtime era Lakers team post 1989 was nowhere close to being a superteam, especially during the 1991 Finals. With their leading scorer, Worthy, being injured coming into the Finals, and then both he and Byron Scott being unable to play at all in the last game due to injury, it was basically Magic and some nice players who never made an all star team in their collective careers, other than a young Divac, who was a one time all star reserve 10 years later, on the squad.

[Hey Yo]

All-defense isn't included in super-team criteria, otherwise the 06' Cavs might be a super-team.. or the 10' Cavs

Btw, Rodman wasn't the starter in the 98' Playoffs and was 36 years old, so if he was a "star", then so was 2010 Shaq.. And he averaged 4/8 in the 97' Playoffs... Ultimately, the 96-98 Bulls weren't a super-team because they lacked 3 perennial all-stars or 2 perennial MVP candidates

You're so full of shit...