# of superteams beaten by MVP or FMVP winners

[Kiddlovesnets]

Heres a list of superteams:

1959-1969 Celtics
1981-1987 Celtics
1983-1985 76ers
1984-1991 Lakers
1996-1998 Bulls
2004 Lakers
2008-2010 Celtics
2011-2014 Heat
2015-2017 Cavaliers
2017-2019 Warriors
2021 Lakers

# of superteams beaten by MVP or FMVP winners:
Larry Bird: 2(1984 Lakers, 1985 76ers)
Magic Johnson: 2(1985 Celtics, 1987 Celtics)
Kawhi Leonard: 2(2014 Heat, 2019 Warriors)
Stephen Curry: 2(2015 Cavs, 2017 Cavs)
Wilt Chamberlain: 1(1967 Celtics)
Moses Malone: 1(1983 Lakers)
Isiah Thomas: 1(1989 Lakers)
Michael Jordan: 1(1991 Lakers)
Chauncey Billups: 1(2004 Lakers)
Kobe Bryant: 1(2010 Celtics)
Dirk Nowitzki: 1(2011 Heat)
Tim Duncan: 1(2014 Heat)
Kevin Durant 1(2017 Cavs)

As we can see, to beat a superteam is extremely difficult and we dont even have one player who beat superteams more than 2 times. Among these players who have defeated 2 superteams, Bird, Magic, Curry(only in 2017) and Durant did this on their own superteams. This makes Kawhi's achievements far more impressive, as he beat 2 superteams without being on his own superteams. He deserve massive respect for pulling off miracles twice.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Exactly. Now kawhi is working on his 3rd miracle. The clippers have always been the bastard son of LA.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Exactly. Now kawhi is working on his 3rd miracle. The clippers have always been the bastard son of LA.

If Kawhi beats the Lakers superteam again, he will be on a tier of his own from this list.

[SouBeachTalents]

Tim Duncan beat the '04 Lakers? OP really is the dumbest poster on the forum

[Kiddlovesnets]

Tim Duncan beat the '04 Lakers? OP really is the dumbest poster on the forum

Edited, but still Kawhi beats 2 superteams without being on his own.

[Kblaze8855]

So Perkins, rookie Vlade, past his prime Byron Scott, or AC green as the number 3....makes for a super team....with Magic and Worthy(who along with Scott was hurt in the finals).

I don’t know. 80s Lakers obviously.....but 91?

Eh. Just a great team. The third guy generally makes it “super”. At least going off talent and names and not how well they play. If you wanna go off names hard to say Kobe along with near prime Dwight with prime Pau(he arguably peaked in Chicago in ways) and Odom and company isn’t a super team. They aren’t once you factor in performance but factoring that in a lot of them aren’t. The 04 lakers and 2011- Heat didn’t exactly dominate.

[SouBeachTalents]

Edited, but still Kawhi beats 2 superteams without being on his own.

Bird also didn't beat the '84 Sixers OR '86 Lakers. You don't seem to know your basketball history

[Kiddlovesnets]

Bird also didn't beat the '84 Sixers OR '86 Lakers. You don't seem to know your basketball history

Corrected. Seems I got the years wrong. Bird beat the Sixers in 1985, and the Lakers in 1984.

[SouBeachTalents]

So Perkins, rookie Vlade, past his prime Byron Scott, or AC green as the number 3....makes for a super team....with Magic and Worthy(who along with Scott was hurt in the finals).

I don’t know. 80s Lakers obviously.....but 91?

Eh. Just a great team. The third guy generally makes it “super”. At least going off talent and names and not how well they play. If you wanna go off names hard to say Kobe along with near prime Dwight with prime Pau(he arguably peaked in Chicago in ways) and Odom and company isn’t a super team. They aren’t once you factor in performance but factoring that in a lot of them aren’t. The 04 lakers and 2011- Heat didn’t exactly dominate.

Or the fact the '89 Lakers, '15 Cavs & '19 Warriors get superteam status despite all having literally multiple key players out

[mr4speed]

Heres a list of superteams:

1959-1969 Celtics
1981-1987 Celtics
1983-1985 76ers
1984-1991 Lakers
1996-1998 Bulls
2004 Lakers
2008-2010 Celtics
2011-2014 Heat
2015-2017 Cavaliers
2017-2019 Warriors
2021 Lakers

# of superteams beaten by MVP or FMVP winners:
Larry Bird: 2(1984 Lakers, 1985 76ers)
Magic Johnson: 2(1985 Celtics, 1987 Celtics)
Kawhi Leonard: 2(2014 Heat, 2019 Warriors)
Stephen Curry: 2(2015 Cavs, 2017 Cavs)
Wilt Chamberlain: 1(1967 Celtics)
Moses Malone: 1(1983 Lakers)
Isiah Thomas: 1(1989 Lakers)
Michael Jordan: 1(1991 Lakers)
Chauncey Billups: 1(2004 Lakers)
Kobe Bryant: 1(2010 Celtics)
Dirk Nowitzki: 1(2011 Heat)
Tim Duncan: 1(2014 Heat)
Kevin Durant 1(2017 Cavs)

As we can see, to beat a superteam is extremely difficult and we dont even have one player who beat superteams more than 2 times. Among these players who have defeated 2 superteams, Bird, Magic, Curry(only in 2017) and Durant did this on their own superteams. This makes Kawhi's achievements far more impressive, as he beat 2 superteams without being on his own superteams. He deserve massive respect for pulling off miracles twice.

Correction needed = Kareem was the FMVP in 85 vs Celtics.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Or the fact the '89 Lakers, '15 Cavs & '19 Warriors get superteam status despite all having literally multiple key players out

2019 warriors were still a super team because they swept the west finals. In the finals, klay missed a game and a quarter, that's very similar to Draymond missing a game in 2016.

Draymond was important in 2016 because he could make it a grind out defense game and beat Irving because Irving has weak defense. Draymond carried them in game 7 and nearly won.

Klay was important in 2019 because he could get hot and make it an offensive game and raptors were a 1 man offense in Kawhi.

Overall, draymond is more important due to being the defensive anchor and main passer. All the advance stats show that draymond is better.

[Stanley Kobrick]

Bird also didn't beat the '84 Sixers OR '86 Lakers. You don't seem to know your basketball history

[SouBeachTalents]

2019 warriors were still a super team because they swept the west finals. In the finals, klay missed a game and a quarter, that's very similar to Draymond missing a game in 2016.

Draymond was important in 2016 because he could make it a grind out defense game and beat Irving because Irving has weak defense. Draymond carried them in game 7 and nearly won.

Klay was important in 2019 because he could get hot and make it an offensive game and raptors were a 1 man offense in Kawhi.

Overall, draymond is more important due to being the defensive anchor and main passer. All the advance stats show that draymond is better.

Well then you agree OP has to change his calculation and include the '16 Warriors, hence adding LeBron to the list

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Well then you agree OP has to change his calculation and include the '16 Warriors, hence adding LeBron to the list

Irving outplayed Curry though and Irving made the biggest shot of the game 7. So kawhi was more impressive but I can give a nice #2 of this era playoff run for 2016 LeBron sure but Kawhi was better.

[SouBeachTalents]

Irving outplayed Curry though and Irving made the biggest shot of the game 7. So kawhi was more impressive but I can give a nice #2 of this era playoff run for 2016 LeBron sure but Kawhi was better.

So we agree LeBron makes the list, making OP's thread already riddled with mistakes backfire too