Dominique Wilkins 3-1 a Pistons team which had Thomas, Laimbeer, Tripucka and Dumars

[bizil]

How in the hell is Nique OVERRATED???? If ANYTHING he's underrated!!! He didn't make top 50 or 1st ballot HOF! Yet he's the 3rd leading scorer among SF's ALL TIME in points scored. Until Bron and Melo passed him (players 2 eras later), he was the #1 leader in points scored among SF's. 9 time All Star, 7 time All NBA, one of the top 5-6 faces of the league at one point. A HUGE REASON why the All Star weekend became what it was. YET he didn't make the Top 50 or was a 1st ballot HOFer. SO HOW IN THE HELL is Nique overrated???

Some haters say he's inefficient. BUT he shot 46% from the field for his career. Which is a GOOD CLIP for a high volume perimeter player! He's shooting closer to 50% than he is 40%! Point is Nique was a great scoring AND rebounding SF! You gotta give him credit where credit is due. The fact he pushed Bird's Celtics to 7 games with his roster PROVE he was a superstar!! If u ask MJ, Magic, Bird, etc. THEY WILL TELL YOU Nique was underrated if ANYTHING!! Matt Barnes and Doc Rivers were saying the same on the All The Smoke podcast a couple of weeks ago!

[Xiao Yao You]

How in the hell is Nique OVERRATED???? If ANYTHING he's underrated!!! He didn't make top 50 or 1st ballot HOF! Yet he's the 3rd leading scorer among SF's ALL TIME in points scored. Until Bron and Melo passed him (players 2 eras later), he was the #1 leader in points scored among SF's. 9 time All Star, 7 time All NBA, one of the top 5-6 faces of the league at one point. A HUGE REASON why the All Star weekend became what it was. YET he didn't make the Top 50 or was a 1st ballot HOFer. SO HOW IN THE HELL is Nique overrated???

Some haters say he's inefficient. BUT he shot 46% from the field for his career. Which is a GOOD CLIP for a high volume perimeter player! He's shooting closer to 50% than he is 40%! Point is Nique was a great scoring AND rebounding SF! You gotta give him credit where credit is due. The fact he pushed Bird's Celtics to 7 games with his roster PROVE he was a superstar!! If u ask MJ, Magic, Bird, etc. THEY WILL TELL YOU Nique was underrated if ANYTHING!! Matt Barnes and Doc Rivers were saying the same on the All The Smoke podcast a couple of weeks ago!

He was considered one of the best players in the game when he played when in reality he was just a high volume/low efficiency/bad D sf and there were at lest a few better at it at the time despite him getting more hype. That is overrated. His all NBA teams selections tell you how overrated he is. The advanced stats just don't jive with the accolades

[jayfan]

Who cares about beating the pre-Bad Boys Pistons?

It was just one year prior. The next season, Detroit would take Boston to 7 in their epic ECF.



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[bizil]

It was just one year prior. The next season, Detroit would lose the epic Boston series in the ECF.



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Right! Plus Kelly Tripucka and Laimbeer were multiple time All Stars. Zeke was a superstar. They had Vinnie Johnson getting busy too. The Pistons HAD MORE TALENT than the Hawks. So for Nique and the Hawks to BEAT THEM, it proved how dominant Nique was. Nique was the only All Star on the Hawks at the time. Doc and Willis both made one All Star game later down the road. But Doc prime for prime was NEVER considered a better player than Tripucka. And prime for prime Willis wasn't as good as Laimbeer. And the Hawks DiDN'T have firepower off the bench like a Vinnie Johnson.

[ShawkFactory]

He was considered one of the best players in the game when he played when in reality he was just a high volume/low efficiency/bad D sf and there were at lest a few better at it at the time despite him getting more hype. That is overrated. His all NBA teams selections tell you how overrated he is. The advanced stats just don't jive with the accolades

For someone who consistently talks about Gobert and his screens and shit, you are relying on like...2 numbers to come to these conclusions. Kinda funny.

[getting_old]

Who cares about beating the pre-Bad Boys Pistons?

bad boys had to wait for Bird and Magic to fall apart, the first title was solely because both Magic and Byron Scott were injured for the Finals

[Xiao Yao You]

For someone who consistently talks about Gobert and his screens and shit, you are relying on like...2 numbers to come to these conclusions. Kinda funny.

What numbers are those? Wilkens had high usage and a lot of points. Nothing else to indicate that he was anything but a high volume low efficiency scorer

[dankok8]

Wilkins is definitely underrated. Bizil owning people in this thread as he usually does!

His TS% were around league average but with his scoring volume it's quite impressive. And Nique wasn't a bad defender. Not elite but not bad by any stretch. He also rebounding really well.

[Xiao Yao You]

Wilkins is definitely underrated. Bizil owning people in this thread as he usually does!

His TS% were around league average but with his scoring volume it's quite impressive. And Nique wasn't a bad defender. Not elite but not bad by any stretch. He also rebounding really well.

It's not impressive though when their were other small forwards putting up similar scoring numbers while doing it efficiently

[3ball]

Agree. Dominique beating the early 1986 Pistons isn't that big of a deal, just like beating the clearly washed 1991 Pistons.

However, Dominique leading the 0 other all-star Hawks to 57 wins in the following season is highly impressive, 17 wins above the 8th seed Chicago Bulls, who had the same amount of all-stars.

Isiah, Dumars, and Rodman were 29/27/29 years old in 1991

Duncan, Manu, and Parker were 35/36/32 in 2014

Garnet, Allen, and Pierce were 34/35/33 in 2012

Ultimately, Jordan would've 3-peated with Dominique in Pippen's place from 89-91'.

[ShawkFactory]

What numbers are those?

The number of shots that he took...and the amount that he made. I think you threw in ws/48 too, since you were talking about Dantley having better advanced numbers and thats the only metric that shows that.

Nothing else to indicate that he was anything but a high volume low efficiency scorer

Other than, like...watching him play...

[Xiao Yao You]

2 pt FG%

1976-77 NBA .520 (12th)

1977-78 NBA .512 (19th)

1979-80 NBA .577 (4th)

1980-81 NBA .560 (7th)

1981-82 NBA .570 (6th)

1983-84 NBA .559 (19th)

1985-86 NBA .567 (7th)

Career NBA .541 (45th)

Career .541 (46th)

offensive rating

1977-78 NBA 116.3 (1st)

1979-80 NBA 118.5 (4th)

1980-81 NBA 118.5 (6th)

1981-82 NBA 120.6 (5th)

1982-83 NBA 123.7 (2nd)

1983-84 NBA 125.6 (1st)

1984-85 NBA 117.0 (18th)

1985-86 NBA 120.7 (7th)

1986-87 NBA 121.0 (9th)

1987-88 NBA 124.5 (4th)

Career NBA 119.3 (12th)

Career 119.3 (12th) win shares per 48

1976-77 NBA .167 (16th)

1977-78 NBA .199 (6th)

1979-80 NBA .189 (7th)

1980-81 NBA .191 (10th)

1981-82 NBA .187 (11th)

1983-84 NBA .235 (1st)

1984-85 NBA .194 (7th)

1985-86 NBA .223 (3rd)

1986-87 NBA .181 (11th)

1987-88 NBA .210 (5th)

Career NBA .189 (31st)

Career .189 (33rd)

There's really no comparison. Same with English though not as dominant as the real AD. I watched them play. I guess I was more about results than flash and hype

[Xiao Yao You]

The number of shots that he took...and the amount that he made. I think you threw in ws/48 too, since you were talking about Dantley having better advanced numbers and thats the only metric that shows that.

Other than, like...watching him play...

Where you looking? Dantley

True shooting %

1976-77 NBA .601 (6th)

1977-78 NBA .595 (5th)

1978-79 NBA .589 (13th)

1979-80 NBA .635 (4th)

1980-81 NBA .622 (4th)

1981-82 NBA .631 (3rd)

1982-83 NBA .661 (2nd)

1983-84 NBA .652 (2nd)

1984-85 NBA .607 (12th)

1985-86 NBA .629 (5th)

1986-87 NBA .614 (9th)

1987-88 NBA .619 (8th)

Career NBA .617 (8th)

Career .617 (9th) FT %(he shot a ton!) EFG% 1978-79 NBA .854 (12th) 1979-80 NBA .842 (16th) 1982-83 NBA .847 (5th) 1983-84 NBA .859 (6th) 1987-88 NBA .860 (18th)

1976-77 NBA .520 (12th)

1977-78 NBA .512 (19th)

1979-80 NBA .576 (4th)

1980-81 NBA .559 (8th)

1981-82 NBA .570 (6th)

1983-84 NBA .558 (18th)

1985-86 NBA .563 (8th)

Career NBA .540 (58th)

Career .540 (59th) FG%

1976-77 NBA .520 (12th)

1977-78 NBA .512 (19th)

1979-80 NBA .576 (4th)

1980-81 NBA .559 (7th)

1981-82 NBA .570 (6th)

1983-84 NBA .558 (18th)

1985-86 NBA .563 (8th)

1986-87 NBA .534 (18th)

Career NBA .540 (33rd)

Career .540 (34th)

[ShawkFactory]

That all ties in to efficiency, not results.

Per these metrics, Zach Lavine is more efficient than Lillard. Both of which whom are far more efficient than Kobe ever was. Vince Carter was more efficient than Kobe a lot of years too.

Again, for someone who talks about Gobert and his screens as to why he's on Jokic or Embiid's level, you're wildly rigid with the numbers.

[Xiao Yao You]

Vorp

1977-78 NBA 4.1 (12th)

1979-80 NBA 3.8 (12th)

1980-81 NBA 5.4 (3rd)

1981-82 NBA 5.0 (7th)

1983-84 NBA 4.7 (5th)

1985-86 NBA 4.8 (8th)

Career NBA 43.7 (39th)

Career 43.7 (41st) FT's(I know he was one of 4 players with 800 makes in a season at the time)

1976-77 NBA 476 (3rd)

1977-78 NBA 541 (1st)

1979-80 NBA 443 (8th)

1980-81 NBA 632 (1st)

1981-82 NBA 648 (1st)

1983-84 NBA 813 (1st)

1984-85 NBA 438 (10th)

1985-86 NBA 630 (1st)

1986-87 NBA 539 (4th)

1987-88 NBA 492 (6th)

1988-89 NBA 460 (9th)

Career NBA 6832 (10th)

Career 6832 (10th) FTA

1976-77 NBA 582 (5th)

1977-78 NBA 680 (1st)

1979-80 NBA 526 (10th)

1980-81 NBA 784 (2nd)

1981-82 NBA 818 (2nd)

1983-84 NBA 946 (1st)

1984-85 NBA 545 (12th)

1985-86 NBA 796 (1st)

1986-87 NBA 664 (4th)

1987-88 NBA 572 (8th)

1988-89 NBA 568 (8th)

Career NBA 8351 (15th)

Career 8351 (16th)

Really hard to find an argument for Wilkens over Dantley. It's not really even close. AD was arguably the best offensive player in the whole league by many metrics in some years